Other Sports: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): THIS IS BRAZIL (Start Of 2024 Regular Season)

[BrindamoursNose]

Here you go @JojoTheWhale

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Here you go @JojoTheWhale

I was literally typing up a post to tag you for something else.

It’s important to check our work on this, so here’s Time to Sacks from yesterday:

1. 4.01
2. 3.36
3. 1.88
4. 5.31
5. 3.71
6. 3.27
7. 3.86

That is glacial. Quick is usually cut off at 2 Seconds. Only one is even close.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I was literally typing up a post to tag you for something else.

It’s important to check our work on this, so here’s Time to Sacks from yesterday:

1. 4.01
2. 3.36
3. 1.88
4. 5.31
5. 3.71
6. 3.27
7. 3.86

That is glacial. Quick is usually cut off at 2 Seconds. Only one is even close.

Oh listen no doubt man - I certainly think he holds on to the ball way too long. Nice to see in the numbers HOW long he did it this past week. Gracias.

 

[DancingPanther]

That's actually crazy

It’s important to check our work on this, so here’s Time to Sacks from yesterday:

1. 4.01
2. 3.36
3. 1.88
4. 5.31
5. 3.71
6. 3.27
7. 3.86

That is glacial. Quick is usually cut off at 2 Seconds. Only one is even close.

Holy f***ing shit bro

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Svechhammer]

That's actually crazy


Holy f***ing shit bro

Whats REALLY crazy is when you notice the timestamp of the tweet. Basically posted at kickoff, and it played out exactly like that over the course of the game.

 

[Flybynite]

I remember seeing an interview with I think Willie Mays talking about how sometimes he would deliberately miss or lay off a good pitch early in a game if the bases were empty because he wanted to let the pitcher think he could fool him and use it in a situation later in the game with runners on.

 

[achdumeingute]

I don't understand what's wrong with the play call. AJ is wide open and Smith is too if the linebacker doesn't drop. There's two viable options pre-snap.

I don't think the read progressions are as static as you are saying, that has to adjust based on what the defense does

If the play is designed to be #1 option to AJB on the slant, i have no issue with it. This is the only route really schemed open, imo.

My issue is Godert and Smith are crossing at the same level...and neither crossing route has any clear out. AJB is following right behind Godert and Dotson sits down on the hook.

Basically, its just everyone running to the same place.

In terms of the staticness of reads...none of us know. Did he check out of AJB as #1 due to something he saw? If so...bad read.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If the play is designed to be #1 option to AJB on the slant, i have no issue with it. This is the only route really schemed open, imo.

My issue is Godert and Smith are crossing at the same level...and neither crossing route has any clear out. AJB is following right behind Godert and Dotson sits down on the hook.

Basically, its just everyone running to the same place.

In terms of the staticness of reads...none of us know. Did he check out of AJB as #1 due to something he saw? If so...bad read.

The hook is weird, but I think it’s just Mesh and Dotson is a Golden Retriever in a lab coat on that one. If someone knows Moore’s installs particularly well, I’m all ears as to what else it could be.

 

[swami24]

I remember seeing an interview with I think Willie Mays talking about how sometimes he would deliberately miss or lay off a good pitch early in a game if the bases were empty because he wanted to let the pitcher think he could fool him and use it in a situation later in the game with runners on.

Or a boxer setting up a punch, but not throwing the knockout until he wears thr opponent down

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It would be objectively funny if the fanbase decided to boycott the Sixers for Friday's game. Just not a single fan in the crowd.

Could and would never happen but would be something real good.

 

[CutOnDime97]

 

[Rebels57]

I was literally typing up a post to tag you for something else.

It’s important to check our work on this, so here’s Time to Sacks from yesterday:

1. 4.01
2. 3.36
3. 1.88
4. 5.31
5. 3.71
6. 3.27
7. 3.86

That is glacial. Quick is usually cut off at 2 Seconds. Only one is even close.

I would like to see more discussion about how a lot of the Eagles passing routes take too long to develop. I watched the replays on every sack and on 4 of them no one was open and the routes didn't break for at least 2 seconds and 1 of them was the 1.88 where a block was missed. I think it's a combination of bad passing schemes and Jalen holding on too long.

 

[Svechhammer]

I would like to see more discussion about how a lot of the Eagles passing routes take too long to develop. I watched the replays on every sack and on 4 of them no one was open and the routes didn't break for at least 2 seconds and 1 of them was the 1.88 where a block was missed. I think it's a combination of bad passing schemes and Jalen holding on too long.

Yeah even on the safety, while Goedert was open, he had just broken free of his blocking stance when Hurts saw the free rusher, by that point the play was dead. If you know that pressure is coming, you need your safety valve to already be there, even for Hurts to burn a pass at his feet to not take the sack.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I would like to see more discussion about how a lot of the Eagles passing routes take too long to develop. I watched the replays on every sack and on 4 of them no one was open and 1 of them was the 1.88 where a block was missed.

Fair. No one is blameless here, although it’s not usually the OL. It’s Moore, Hurts, Sirianni, the footwork and timing of the routes being run — all of it. We’re just chopping it up into pieces and that can often come off as full blame when it wasn’t intended to be so.

I’m not the biggest Moore fan at all, but every team runs some amount of plays that have a bunch of deeper routes. In order to really discuss this, we need to look at the whole rather than just the Sacks. I really don’t want to scrub through every play today, but we do have Hurts’ passing charts available:

Rams

Packers

There are short options on most plays. We can say this confidently. Moore’s biggest change in the offense is how many Curls and Sits he’s added. I would add that this game was weird because of the snow and I do think he did a better job than he has many times this year at getting the ball out on Sunday. This particular game wasn’t terrible to me. He was getting Pressured often, which usually doesn’t happen. He just didn’t respond well to the pressure at all. The numbers we have back this up — 13 Pressures (a ton) resulted in 7 Sacks. A Sack to Pressure rate of >50% is impossibly awful. So he was set up to fail, but also didn’t help himself at all. That’s both on the OL and QB. There’s no way to absolve either.

 

[nacc BLOCC]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to write this out. My big concerns are two things.

One, he is at this point a QB who is defined by making things worse when they go wrong. His Pressure to Sack ratios are off the charts and have been for years. That's one of the best ways isolate QB play from blocking. Part of being above the Baker Mayfield tier is understanding how to minimize damage consistently. While how he looked on that Safety was I'm sure in part because of the knee, I don't think it would have been materially different if he was healthy. He might have moved a little bit. But he doesn't have whatever it is that makes you find a way to get out of that play with an incomplete pass. Never has consistently and never will. Can't teach it.

Two is that he's had 5 OCs of reasonable quality and he still can't handle sim pressures. I can live with so much else that goes wrong, but when you get to the playoffs and teams make boutique gameplans based on your entire season and even previous ones, it becomes too much to overcome. Here's an example from yesterday:



They have a great play for this. Everyone playing in the NFL should be expected to see this and go to AJB running a Slant on the backside. It's not processing (look at his head movement) or the generic can't find a second read claptrap. It's how he synthesizes what the defense is doing after the play has started. I think he's competent at it before the snap!

when those pressures don’t become sacks or immediate incompletions, the top guys give you the vibe that a sustained breakdown can actually turn into a play for the offense.

when things collapse and hurts still has the ball, you just expect the worst.

i was resigned that he’d never be able to create out of those situations, but hoped he could learn to limit losses. but that hope has waned to a tiny irrational flicker.

the eagles need to win the super bowl this year so that they can foist a super bowl champion qb onto another, dumber, team.

 

[nacc BLOCC]

the shock collar talk in this thread is repugnant. those don’t belong on a single living creature.

 

[Rebels57]

Fair. No one is blameless here, although it’s not usually the OL. It’s Moore, Hurts, Sirianni, the footwork and timing of the routes being run — all of it. We’re just chopping it up into pieces and that can often come off as full blame when it wasn’t intended to be so.

I’m not the biggest Moore fan at all, but every team runs some amount of plays that have a bunch of deeper routes. In order to really discuss this, we need to look at the whole rather than just the Sacks. I really don’t want to scrub through every play today, but we do have Hurts’ passing charts available:

Rams

Packers

There are short options on most plays. We can say this confidently. Moore’s biggest change in the offense is how many Curls and Sits he’s added. I would add that this game was weird because of the snow and I do think he did a better job than he has many times this year at getting the ball out on Sunday. This particular game wasn’t terrible to me at all. He was getting Pressured often, which usually doesn’t happen. He just didn’t respond well to the pressure at all. The numbers we have back this up — 13 Pressures (a ton) resulted in 7 Sacks. A Sack to Pressure rate of >50% is impossibly awful. So he was set up to fail, but also didn’t help himself at all. That’s both on the OL and QB. There’s no way to absolve either.

Good stuff. Thank you for this!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@Beef Invictus I have a Daniels/Kliff stat for you. He had 0.59xx EPA/play on Saturday. That was the 16th best game by a QB all season. 10 of the 15 better games came against teams that fired their DCs.

After Saturday, he also now has 6 of the top 23 Games by EPA vs Blitzes (10+) all season. This is the sign the true top tier guys tend to show. You can't afford to blitz them much.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus I have a Daniels/Kliff stat for you. He had 0.59xx EPA/play on Saturday. That was the 16th best game by a QB all season. 10 of the 15 better games came against teams that fired their DCs.

After Saturday, he also now has 6 of the top 23 Games by EPA vs Blitzes (10+) all season. This is the sign the true top tier guys tend to show. You can't afford to blitz them much.

I cannot be surprised. At either of these things. But especially not about blitzing. It's almost like he welcomes it.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It me.

...in the blue jacket