OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Playoffs - Eagles Will Select Sixth Overall In Draft

[Flybynite]

Once again, Howie should be fired for giving Nate Sudfeld six million dollars of Lurie’s money.

I'm sure deep down Nate Sudfeld was sitting there and quite honestly did not care if he got into that game or not. He has probably made more from the NFL than he ever expected to.

 

[Cody Webster]

who are the better drafting teams.....................

Better question, who isnt?

 

[Striiker]

This presser

 

[Jtown]

Better question, who isnt?

you can not state with any certainty that there are more than 5 teams in the nfl better at drafting than the eagles..

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

who are the better drafting teams.....................

Off the top of my head: Indy, KC, Minnesota, Dallas, Baltimore, LAR, Buffalo, Pitt, Miami, New Orleans, Green Bay, New England, LAC, SF, Tennessee and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

 

[Striiker]

“What it feels like to be a Philly fan”

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

you can not state with any certainty that there are more than 5 teams in the nfl better at drafting than the eagles..

Have more than five teams drafted more than 1 pro bowler in the last five years?

We’re not counting Carson because I’m sure you’ll admit doesn’t count cause he’s a bum.

 

[deadhead]

If you include all the players Howie drafted and signed as UDFAs since 2016 (before that it's hard to determine responsibility, he probably had a major role from 2011-2013, none in 2014 and 2015), he's got a pretty good record.

Teams generally get two starters and 1-2 solid reserves out of a typical draft, maybe a little better when you draft in the top ten or have extra picks. People exaggerate the value of the draft, go look at the rosters of playoff teams and they're a mix of draft picks, UDFAs, SFAs, a couple top FAs, some 2nd and 3rd tier FAs. One reason is many players don't hit their stride until their 4th or 5th year, so their original team doesn't want to pay the price of keeping them when they have a cheaper or better alternative like Vaitai - or like Hicks, they can't stay healthy.

While the GM makes the final roster decisions, they're basically determined by the evaluation of the coaches, coaches lobby for the players they want on the final 53. So when players leave due to waivers, it tends to be because they're not valued by their position coach. Fulgham for example probably got cut due to bad practice habits that alienated his coaches.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Eye roll.

 

[deadhead]

How many top ten to fifteen picks did Howie have since 2016?
Because the majority of pro bowl players, especially the ones who make it early in their career, come out of that group.
Lane #4, Cox #12, for example.
Wentz #2 (and he played at a pro bowl level).

Not saying Howie is a genius, though I suspect some of his draft mistakes are due to input from his coaches (the scouts complained about that, but you draft for your coaches, not your scouts), but I've seen far worse at drafting - even teams that are great at drafting have their off years. And UDFAs, SFAs, practice squad claims, etc., are all part of roster building.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Lurie did a great Baghdad Bob impression today.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I for one am shocked about the group of people that are defending Howie.

 

[Chinatown88]

Interesting assets at QB. Haiyahhhhhh

 

[JojoTheWhale]

One thing to keep in mind with these draft discussions is that from all accounts, Stoutland has extremely heavy say in OL scouting. So while I would for example give Howie only partial blame for Dillard, it also means I would give him partial credit for some of the later hits.

 

[Jtown]

Off the top of my head: Indy, KC, Minnesota, Dallas, Baltimore, LAR, Buffalo, Pitt, Miami, New Orleans, Green Bay, New England, LAC, SF, Tennessee and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

NO? 2017 was an all timer. but trading 2 firsts for marcus davenport? WHen is howie making mistakes like that? 18 , 19.. 20....mccoy.... thats it.

Minnesota has been great at assembling a solid roster. Solid rosters don't win super bowls, solid rosters with great qb's do. ANd they have never been able to get a great qb.

Miami? TUa over herbert? how do you think that will age? wilkins? trading fitzpatrick? yeah they hit it out of the park with some trades but my god that roster is depleted of depth and talent. what picks have hit?

landry has had the best career of anyone they drafted since jake long.

in depth anaylsis can pick apart any of your picks..... this is where i am getting at. Every team has their jjaw .

 

[JojoTheWhale]

but trading 2 firsts for marcus davenport? WHen is howie making mistakes like that? 18 , 19.. 20....mccoy.... thats it.

I'm so proud of you. You just defended the Wentz pick.

 

[Starat327]

I'm so proud of you. You just defended the Wentz pick.

Got em.

 

[Jtown]

Have more than five teams drafted more than 1 pro bowler in the last five years?

We’re not counting Carson because I’m sure you’ll admit doesn’t count cause he’s a bum.

why do you think i would count wentz as a bum? because of his performance this year? the one in which he finished dead last in all major categories.

 

[Halladay]

Here is a hypothetical scenario, would you be ok with Howie getting sacked but in return Joe Banner would be coming back to be the face of the franchise?

 

[Jtown]

I'm so proud of you. You just defended the Wentz pick.

in what world is a former mvp and davenport on the same level? WHat wentz has become is entirely because of the flukiest acl injury that has ever occured.

 

[Chinatown88]

It's time

 

[Jtown]

It's time

dude, a little warning next time.. Now i have to change pants.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

WHat wentz has become is entirely because of the flukiest acl injury that has ever occured.

I didn't know you felt this way. Zero snark intended.

The Davenport trade was indeed ridiculous, but he's also good and they're in a fairly unique situation where they went All-in for 2 years to a degree we probably haven't seen before.