OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Don't Cry Because It's Over, Smile Because it Happened (Offseason - 2023)

[DancingPanther]

Devastated he's not going to be an Eagle but how did #puntgod go undrafted???

Apparently it's something about "just having a big leg", whatever that means.

Edit: Twitter says his "rugby style punting" won't work in the NFL.

 

[Flybynite]

Devastated he's not going to be an Eagle but how did #puntgod go undrafted???

I think its worries about his punting style not translating as well to the NFL.



He's from Australia and does that rugby/Aussie rules football style. He doesn't just receive the ball and then punt, he runs side to side and tries to buy time and then kicks. His actual hangtime is one of the worst in college football because he doesn't do the pop-up kicking style.

From what I had gathered from reading articles a lot of NFL evaluators are worried he won't be able to duplicate what he's done in college on an NFL special teams and that the amount of time he got would be less which would lead to him punting sooner and punt returners getting the ball before coverage units are down there.

If was a straight-up normal punter with the kinds of inside the 20, net return type stats he'd probably have been drafted.

 

[DancingPanther]

I think its worries about his punting style not translating as well to the NFL.



He's from Australia and does that rugby/Aussie rules football style. He doesn't just receive the ball and then punt, he runs side to side and tries to buy time and then kicks. His actual hangtime is one of the worst in college football because he doesn't do the pop-up kicking style.

From what I had gathered from reading articles a lot of NFL evaluators are worried he won't be able to duplicate what he's done in college on an NFL special teams and that the amount of time he got would be less which would lead to him punting sooner and punt returners getting the ball before coverage units are down there.

If was a straight-up normal punter with the kinds of inside the 20, net return type stats he'd probably have been drafted.

LAME

 

[Chinatown88]

Dodds: I went down there early in the year. He wasn’t playing as well. It’s just a hard study, right? Because (he played) 13 games total. Threw like 60 balls (as a sophomore). He’s got blue traits, but there’s no resume, and then it was a roller coaster all year. I watched him like four or five times, and I was kind of like, hard on (him) at first. And then the more I watched the deal, Chris hit on the poise (in the pocket).

I always just watch games — I’m kind of old school like that — I don’t want to watch all these cut-ups. But we have a cut-up of all the throws he made under pressure, and that’s where you’re like, “All right, this dude’s got natural instincts that some of these guys did not.” The accuracy? I’d say a lot of it’s his feet. I actually asked him about it. I’m like, “Hey, what do you think it is? Why when you have so much time, and you have perfect protection, you’ll just miss one? And when you’re under pressure, you have to move up, slide to your left and make the throw, it’s perfect?” And he’s like, “I got all these people in my ear talking about mechanics.” There’s gurus for everything out there. So, I think that just shows he is accurate and just has to stop thinking about all this ancillary BS. Just play, dude.

I went into this thing because of the limited resume, like, “What are we doing? Like, 13 games?” That’s where I started. (Coach) Shane (Steichen) made a comment to me, “Pretend this is a potential wife. Who do you wanna spend time with for the next 10 years?” And the more time I talked to Anthony, the more time I spent with him … I talked to him on the phone for four or five hours (a few weeks ago). He was here for a full day, we were there for a full day, and the more time you spend time around him, you just like him. He’s just a good guy. If he makes a mistake, it’s not because he’s doing something wrong or not trying, it’s because he didn’t know. And that’s what you like. He’ll listen. He wants to be good, and you just like being around him.

Colts Ass GM Ed Dodds.

This will be an interesting development process. I know some people doubt the mechanics. But I think I'm turning into a believer as time passes.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I think its worries about his punting style not translating as well to the NFL.



He's from Australia and does that rugby/Aussie rules football style. He doesn't just receive the ball and then punt, he runs side to side and tries to buy time and then kicks. His actual hangtime is one of the worst in college football because he doesn't do the pop-up kicking style.

From what I had gathered from reading articles a lot of NFL evaluators are worried he won't be able to duplicate what he's done in college on an NFL special teams and that the amount of time he got would be less which would lead to him punting sooner and punt returners getting the ball before coverage units are down there.

If was a straight-up normal punter with the kinds of inside the 20, net return type stats he'd probably have been drafted.

Bummer. Doesn't look like he even signed as UDFA yet either. I think The Beastbhad him as a 6th round talent. Guess NFL scouts disagreed.

 

[DancingPanther]

Colts Ass GM Ed Dodds.

This will be an interesting development process. I know some people doubt the mechanics. But I think I'm turning into a believer as time passes.

"Pretend this is a potential wife"

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It’s also not easy to break into the NFL as a kicker/punter naturally given the limited amount of spots. A lot of these guys have to hang around on the outside or practice squads before they ever get a chance.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

No idea how good these charts are, but there's some sense to them. Could be worth a look if you're suffering a draft hangover.

 

[Cody Webster]

No idea how good these charts are, but there's some sense to them. Could be worth a look if you're suffering a draft hangover.

Great round four for the Patriots....

 

[trostol]

so Bucs are moving Wirfs to LT...is it that difficult to swap sides?

 

[Chinatown88]

so Bucs are moving Wirfs to LT...is it that difficult to swap sides?

So @JojoTheWhale got me hooked on PFF podcasts when I listened to this episode.



If you have time to listen to it, it's pretty good. Long story short it really depends on the individual. Some are great, some are disasters.

 

[landsbergfan]

still waiting on yours.

Got you fam

 

[FLYguy3911]

Got you fam

Someone found out her name on Twitter. Only found her LinkedIn.

 

[trostol]

So @JojoTheWhale got me hooked on PFF podcasts when I listened to this episode.



If you have time to listen to it, it's pretty good. Long story short it really depends on the individual. Some are great, some are disasters.

about where, if they do, talk about it..imma not watch the entire thing lol

nm...found it

 

[ChaosLord]

Looking at some these draft articles...can't believe how lenient people seem to be on the Lions and their atrocious draft. CBS actually had the gall to give them an A:

Prisco's NFL Draft 2023 grades for all 32 teams: Cowboys, Eagles among A's; Chiefs, 49ers receive poor marks

Pete Prisco hands out grades to every team for their 2023 NFL Draft haul

www.cbssports.com

Yeah the Lions got a nice pick or two in the second round. That's only to be expected: they had five picks in the first two rounds! What about their two first rounders, which they royally screwed up?

The Lions had a legit chance to vault into the NFC's elite this year, and they totally blew it.

 

[philly_28]

Looking at some these draft articles...can't believe how lenient people seem to be on the Lions and their atrocious draft. CBS actually had the gall to give them an A:

Prisco's NFL Draft 2023 grades for all 32 teams: Cowboys, Eagles among A's; Chiefs, 49ers receive poor marks

Pete Prisco hands out grades to every team for their 2023 NFL Draft haul

www.cbssports.com

Yeah the Lions got a nice pick or two in the second round. That's only to be expected: they had five picks in the first two rounds! What about their two first rounders, which they royally screwed up?

The Lions had a legit chance to vault into the NFC's elite this year, and they totally blew it.

These post draft articles are almost always super lenient. Even if teams lose all their trades and make multiple picks that are huge reaches, you'll get something like "C+, while we don't necessarily love the process here, they did get the players that they wanted and that's what it's all about in the end. These players will get every chance to prove themselves there."

Everybody wins on draft weekend, didn't you know?

 

[ChaosLord]

These post draft articles are almost always super lenient. Even if teams lose all their trades and make multiple picks that are huge reaches, you'll get something like "C+, while we don't necessarily love the process here, they did get the players that they wanted and that's what it's all about in the end. These players will get every chance to prove themselves there."

Everybody wins on draft weekend, didn't you know?

Well I know now

Yeah you're right the actual article on NFL.com is so lenient I think the lowest grade there is a "B".

 

[BrindamoursNose]

 

[wankstifier]

I think its worries about his punting style not translating as well to the NFL.



He's from Australia and does that rugby/Aussie rules football style. He doesn't just receive the ball and then punt, he runs side to side and tries to buy time and then kicks. His actual hangtime is one of the worst in college football because he doesn't do the pop-up kicking style.

From what I had gathered from reading articles a lot of NFL evaluators are worried he won't be able to duplicate what he's done in college on an NFL special teams and that the amount of time he got would be less which would lead to him punting sooner and punt returners getting the ball before coverage units are down there.

If was a straight-up normal punter with the kinds of inside the 20, net return type stats he'd probably have been drafted.

Would it be harder to line up one of his punts for a fair catch, though? Looks like he can shorten up his route to 1-2 steps if he needs to get the ball away as well.

 

[Chinatown88]

Am I the only one who doesn’t find Will Levis’ sisters and gf very attractive?

From the EMB. I'm laughing at this more than I should.

 

[iceman42]

Looking at some these draft articles...can't believe how lenient people seem to be on the Lions and their atrocious draft. CBS actually had the gall to give them an A:

Prisco's NFL Draft 2023 grades for all 32 teams: Cowboys, Eagles among A's; Chiefs, 49ers receive poor marks

Pete Prisco hands out grades to every team for their 2023 NFL Draft haul

www.cbssports.com

Yeah the Lions got a nice pick or two in the second round. That's only to be expected: they had five picks in the first two rounds! What about their two first rounders, which they royally screwed up?

The Lions had a legit chance to vault into the NFC's elite this year, and they totally blew it.

I think its like the participation trophy it seemed to me that everyone was getting As and Bs - C is the new F. Detroit is the classic example, fine Gibbs was taken at 12, his value was around 30. Campbell his value was around mid-2nd. The same thing for Dallas it was like they were picking one round later. Mazi was a mid-2nd, Schoonmaker was a mid-late 3rd. They all could pan out but not sure how you get a passing grade with that lack of value.

 

[ChaosLord]

I think its like the participation trophy it seemed to me that everyone was getting As and Bs - C is the new F. Detroit is the classic example, fine Gibbs was taken at 12, his value was around 30. Campbell his value was around mid-2nd. The same thing for Dallas it was like they were picking one round later. Mazi was a mid-2nd, Schoonmaker was a mid-late 3rd. They all could pan out but not sure how you get a passing grade with that lack of value.

If Detroit had drafted like the Seahawks did (ie.make every one of their 2 first and 3 second round picks count), we would honestly be talking about them right now as a bona fide NFC Contender along with Philly, SF and Dallas.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

If Detroit had drafted like the Seahawks did (ie.make every one of their 2 first and 3 second round picks count), we would honestly be talking about them right now as a bona fide NFC Contender along with Philly, SF and Dallas.

It's true, but would be a silly conversation probably. They are missing the #1 need to really be considered a contender...They're basically just not in the hype thankfully due to not going for value.

 

[iceman42]

I am liking the way that the Eagles seem to have arrived at a process for the offseason.
They identify team needs and address them with free agency.
They get creative with 1-year deals and low-cost trades on players who are near the end of their contracts.
They then go into the draft with not many needs they trade up and down the draft and even pick up a player or two, but they never seem to go overboard.
They go into training camp with a lot of competition and they are not afraid to let their draft picks sit.
This didn't happen overnight, obviously, you have to get to a certain asset level and you have to have some trial and error.

Will this work every time, no, you're going to have the equalizer of injuries.
Will the draft board fall perfectly like it did this year, no.
Will all the players drafted be equal to their draft grade, no, your going to have busts and meh-type picks.

It's going to be an exciting TC and it's going to be an exciting preseason. We will still have big question marks for the season. We have 2 new coordinators and several new assistant coaches. We have several new starters and several aging players who are near where players tend to decline. Will the new players and young players step up?

Im excited but its not like were going in with few changes.

 

[achdumeingute]

If Detroit had drafted like the Seahawks did (ie.make every one of their 2 first and 3 second round picks count), we would honestly be talking about them right now as a bona fide NFC Contender along with Philly, SF and Dallas.

In a year, nobody is going to care where these guys were drafted if they work out as good players.

The argument is, they wasted draft position/could have gotten assets on players they could have drafted later.

I still think, they are winning the NFC North.