Contract Termination: [PHI] F Ryan Johansen placed on waivers by the Flyers for the purpose of contract termination (Johansen grieving)

[Rich Nixon]

In this particular case, Laine probably didn't want to play for Tortorella again, which is understandable if they didn't get along in Columbus. Would you accept a job working for a former boss with which you previously had a bad experience? I certainly would not.

And that makes Laine the 4th or 5th NHL player or prospect to refuse to play in the Flyers organization in the last year, which probably says a lot more about how Flyers management is perceived around the league than it says about Laine.

 

[JKG33]

Yeah, what a loser...$60 Million in his pocket, plays hockey for a living, beautiful wife. Go back to being a keyboard warrior and yelling at Mom for more Meatloaf.

Show me where I said he's a loser? Yea he's done better than everyone on this board, and made more money playing hockey than he really should've. Doesn't change the fact that as far as NHLers go he's not exactly respectable

 

[DJN21]

Yeah, what a loser...$60 Million in his pocket, plays hockey for a living, beautiful wife. Go back to being a keyboard warrior and yelling at Mom for more Meatloaf.

I believe he wanted more hot pockets not meatloaf but I reckon that's neither here nor there....

 

[Treb]

Ahaha Laine can't stop looking like a clown. Dude crys his way off 2 teams, is choosy about his 3rd, and yet people repeatedly told me that...

1) He's somehow not a cancer like Dubois
2) He has positive trade value

LMFAO

How dare he uses a clause he negotiated in his contract with Colombus.

 

[JKG33]

How dare he uses a clause he negotiated in his contract with Colombus.

Where was this attitude when Dubois leveraged his way outta town?

 

[Treb]

Where was this attitude when Dubois leveraged his way outta town?

I don't remember saying Dubois couldn't use his NMC.

 

[JPT]

Hard to see Nashville being successful in (and RJ’s grievance of) their unilateral termination of his contract based on their belief he’s not injured. They will have doctors on their side but he will have doctors on his side. Will be difficult to prove.

Nashville isn't involved in the contract termination. They traded his contract a while back. The only way Nashville is involved is by being able to remove his salary retention from their dead cap if his contract is successfully terminated.

 

[LOFIN]

Where was this attitude when Dubois leveraged his way outta town?

What part of a NTC/NMC clause did he exercise when doing this?

 

[sena]

Hard to see Nashville being successful in (and RJ’s grievance of) their unilateral termination of his contract based on their belief he’s not injured. They will have doctors on their side but he will have doctors on his side. Will be difficult to prove.

These guys probably have pictures and vids of him participating in physical activities without any issues. They don't often mess with legally binding contracts without some sort of evidence

 

[Fatass]

These guys probably have pictures and vids of him participating in physical activities without any issues. They don't often mess with legally binding contracts without some sort of evidence

Didn’t the Sharks lose a legal case to Evander Kane and have to pay him after they unilaterally terminated his contract?
I’m not too sure how the whole grievance process works. Does that occur before the contract can be terminated? Is that happening right now?

 

[triggrman]

Nashville isn't involved in the contract termination. They traded his contract a while back. The only way Nashville is involved is by being able to remove his salary retention from their dead cap if his contract is successfully terminated.

Still no involvement. Nashville pays half of his owed contract. If there’s no contract there’s no payment

 

[JKG33]

What part of a NTC/NMC clause did he exercise when doing this?

Where did I say he used a NTC/NMC?

 

[Silky Johnson]

And that makes Laine the 4th or 5th NHL player or prospect to refuse to play in the Flyers organization in the last year, which probably says a lot more about how Flyers management is perceived around the league than it says about Laine.

Two words.

John Tortorella.

 

[LOFIN]

Where did I say he used a NTC/NMC?

You didn't, but obviously the attitude is different when player is exercising his contract written right to decline a trade vs. actually quitting on the team, effectively failing to fulfil his end of a contract.

 

[JKG33]

You didn't, but obviously the attitude is different when player is exercising his contract written right to decline a trade vs. actually quitting on the team, effectively failing to fulfil his end of a contract.

I see two players who quit on their teams

 

[LOFIN]

I see two players who quit on their teams

Laine didn't quit on Winnipeg did he? On his last game, he scored like 4 points lol. PLD did in fact, quit. He literally quit playing.

 

[PAZ]

Didn’t the Sharks lose a legal case to Evander Kane and have to pay him after they unilaterally terminated his contract?
I’m not too sure how the whole grievance process works. Does that occur before the contract can be terminated? Is that happening right now?

Teams often expect they'll still have to pay the player after terminating a contract, most care more about the cap implications. I believe the Sharks still had to pay Kane, but they aren't on the hook for his cap.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Teams often expect they'll still have to pay the player after terminating a contract, most care more about the cap implications. I believe the Sharks still had to pay Kane, but they aren't on the hook for his cap.

If player gets paid, team gets a cap hit.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Two words.

John Tortorella.

Eh, it's much bigger than that and I've laid it out in so many words prior, but it actually starts with one word: Comcast. Because they're the ones who hired Tortorella (literally, he was hired by corporate) and then paired him with a rookie GM, President, and team CEO. Bad combo. Badly run company with a bad culture.

 

[PAZ]

If player gets paid, team gets a cap hit.

Okay, please explain this:

Sharks terminate Kane's contract, which goes until 2024-25.

Kane files a grievance and they settle with the Sharks agreeing to pay Kane the difference between what he was owed and his new contract with the Oilers.

"The agreement has been approved by the NHL and the NHL Players' Association," the Sharks said in a statement. "We are satisfied that its terms will not adversely impact the team, either financially or competitively, in this or future seasons."

Evander Kane, Sharks settle contract grievance

The San Jose Sharks and former forward Evander Kane have settled a grievance over his contract termination last season before the matter would have gone to arbitration.

www.espn.com

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

When I read "Johansen grieving" I was like, he's that sad that his contract got canceled?

 

[12ozPapa]

When I read "Johansen grieving" I was like, he's that sad that his contract got canceled?

Every time I see this thread, I have the exact thought. I picture him sad, trying to enjoy his golf outing, checking his texts

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Okay, please explain this:

Sharks terminate Kane's contract, which goes until 2024-25.

Kane files a grievance and they settle with the Sharks agreeing to pay Kane the difference between what he was owed and his new contract with the Oilers.

"The agreement has been approved by the NHL and the NHL Players' Association," the Sharks said in a statement. "We are satisfied that its terms will not adversely impact the team, either financially or competitively, in this or future seasons."

Evander Kane, Sharks settle contract grievance

The San Jose Sharks and former forward Evander Kane have settled a grievance over his contract termination last season before the matter would have gone to arbitration.

www.espn.com

@mouser because he knows more about the CBA than anyone I know.

In every case that I was aware of of a player got paid, the team had a cap hit. Hawks termed Perry, he got paid, Hawks took a cap hit. Let me do some research on Kane. I assume the Kane case was different because the contract term was COVID related.

 

[mouser]

Okay, please explain this:

Sharks terminate Kane's contract, which goes until 2024-25.

Kane files a grievance and they settle with the Sharks agreeing to pay Kane the difference between what he was owed and his new contract with the Oilers.

"The agreement has been approved by the NHL and the NHL Players' Association," the Sharks said in a statement. "We are satisfied that its terms will not adversely impact the team, either financially or competitively, in this or future seasons."

Evander Kane, Sharks settle contract grievance

The San Jose Sharks and former forward Evander Kane have settled a grievance over his contract termination last season before the matter would have gone to arbitration.

www.espn.com

San Jose received a cap charge in 2021-22, presumably equal to the one time grievance settlement amount the Sharks paid to Kane.

To my knowledge the exact settlement amount has not been publicly released, but San Jose had enough free cap space available in 2021-22 to absorb that cap charge without any carryover to the next season.

 

[PAZ]

@mouser because he knows more about the CBA than anyone I know.

In every case that I was aware of of a player got paid, the team had a cap hit. Hawks termed Perry, he got paid, Hawks took a cap hit. Let me do some research on Kane. I assume the Kane case was different because the contract term was COVID related.

San Jose received a cap charge in 2021-22, presumably equal to the one time grievance settlement amount the Sharks paid to Kane.

To my knowledge the exact settlement amount has not been publicly released, but San Jose had enough free cap space available in 2021-22 to absorb that cap charge without any carryover to the next season.

That makes sense, I read a bit more of the article and San Jose got a pretty sweet deal in the end - having a $19 mil owed prior to terminating and only ending up with less than a $4.9 mil paid/retroactive cap hit.

Kane was due $19 million in salary for the last three years of his San Jose contract. The first three years of his new deal with the Oilers pay him a combined $16.5 million in salary. An NHL source believed the settlement will generate a cap hit that will be retroactively applied to the 2021-22 Sharks' salary cap. They finished last season with around $4.9 million in cap space.