Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

[deadhead]

While it's nice, not sure it matters much, though it helps a 'stay at home' defensemen who's primarily going to be shooting from the point.
Given the the ability of NHL players to block shots, a compact motion (quicker release) is more important than velocity, and if he's quick enough to attack the O-zone, a good wrist shot (see Sanheim) has more value in that situation than a high velocity slapshot.

Unfortunately, that's harder to measure, which is why you depend on scouts.

Though I'm sure there are some proprietary data bases using the same techniques in other sports to break down film that measure some of these attributes, though probably not in the SHL or junors.

 

[SergeConstantin74]

Certainly seems like we may be able to count Laberge as a good pick again soon enough! Happy to see him do well recently.

What I've been impressed with is his physical game along the boards. He has 7 hits after two playoffs games. I think it shows he's ready to let the past in the past and to move forward.

I don't know if he'll be ready to make it to the AHL next season. Just a few months ago he had lost his passion for hockey and the awakening happened in January. Maybe a season of dominating in the Q, something he has never done, would help him. However Flyers will lose one year of his ELC so they might prefer to keep him in the AHL.

 

[deadhead]

Given the Flyer prospect depth, and the need to make decisions about a limited number of contracts, I think they'd rather see Laberge in the AHL.
If he can't handle it, you're talking maybe 3 years of slow development (working his way up the lineup) and they might move on.
If he shows he's not that far behind his cohort, then he becomes a viable prospect again.

 

[Flyerfan13]

What I've been impressed with is his physical game along the boards. He has 7 hits after two playoffs games. I think it shows he's ready to let the past in the past and to move forward.

I don't know if he'll be ready to make it to the AHL next season. Just a few months ago he had lost his passion for hockey and the awakening happened in January. Maybe a season of dominating in the Q, something he has never done, would help him. However Flyers will lose one year of his ELC so they might prefer to keep him in the AHL.

Back in the Q may be the best thing for him he would probably get bottom 6 minutes in the ahl. The flyers have a group of forwards joining the ahl next season in rubtsov,laczynski, bunnaman,twarynski, and possibly Allison.

 

[NicolasAubeKubel]

Back in the Q may be the best thing for him he would probably get bottom 6 minutes in the ahl. The flyers have a group of forwards joining the ahl next season in rubtsov,laczynski, bunnaman,twarynski, and possibly Allison.

Besides Laczynski and maybe Allison, why would any of those guys get top 9 minutes over Laberge based on what he’s doing right now+skillset? He’s been on fire.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Phantoms already have a bunch of top 9 forwards under contract for 18-19. Even if NAK and Vecchione make the Flyers, there's still six guys left to add to Bunnaman, Laberge, Rubtsov, Twarynski, and possibly Allison and Laczynski.

Aube-Kubel
Bardreau
Carey
Conner (AHL deal)
Knight
Varone
Vecchione
Vorobyev

 

[Flyerfan13]

Besides Laczynski and maybe Allison, why would any of those guys get top 9 minutes over Laberge based on what he’s doing right now+skillset? He’s been on fire.

I would say rubtsov belongs in that group as well so for top 6 next year phantoms have rubtsov, vecchione,vorobyev,carey,laczynski,Allison,varone,possibly nak and Martel that's possibly 9 guys
Then bottom 6 bunnaman,twarynski,knight, Colin McDonald if resigned
I would rather laberge play top line minutes in the q than play bottom 6 in the ahl.

 

[Flyerfan13]

I missed conner and Curu beat me to it

 

[FLYguy3911]

I wouldn’t bet on NAK to make the Flyers out of camp. He’s good enough, but he’s still on his ELC.

 

[Curufinwe]

Unless Lehtera and Weise get bought out/traded/waived, there appear to be two open spots on the 18-19 roster - 3C and 4 W. Martel, Leier and Goulbourne are RFAs who need to go thru waivers, and they would be in competition with Vecchione and NAK who will be waiver exempt.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Lindblom-Patrick-Voracek
Weal- -Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-
Lehtera, Weise

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Unless Lehtera and Weise get bought out/traded/waived, there appear to be two open spots on the 18-19 roster - 3C and 4 W. Martel, Leier and Goulbourne are RFAs who need to go thru waivers, and they would be in competition with Vecchione and NAK who will be waiver exempt.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Lindblom-Patrick-Voracek
Weal- -Simmonds
Raffl-Laughton-
Lehtera, Weise

Theres no way jori isn't getting bought out. Weise I guess will roam around for a bit longer.

 

[wasup]

Because it's just right now i want to see a steady progression not red hot ice cold one. Twarynski has to come next year cause of age Hart , Allison and Laczynski because preformances, Rubtsov cause of where they drafted him. If Morin is on Flyers and possible Myers they will have to sign a college D man or an Euro. That would already be promoting 6 to 7 rookies onto the Phantoms next year i don't see how they could possibly be any more, some will have to be sent to Reading , either players on the Phantoms or rookies coming in.
The flyers have already signed every player drafted in the top four rounds the last two years minus Allison 2nd and Ustimenko 3rd , thats 10 players already plus they will draft two more in the first round this year and sign them right away. I am not sure Ron is really looking what he is doing ,there is not room for all them unless he starts packaging them in trades.

 

[deadhead]

NAK was on a bottom line his first season, gives a kid time to adjust to the AHL and focus on defense first.
His second season played a much bigger role.
His third season will be in the NHL.

Vorobyev will probably depend on his playoff performance, if he continues to improve in the playoffs and carries that over to TC, he could make the Flyers.

Frost has a good shot at making the Flyers.

MV and Knight have shots at 4th line slots.

I can see them with an all rookie 4th line in the AHL, which would gradually get more PT as the season progressed.

As far as trades, I see them trading some of these guys in a year or two, but they need to perform in the AHL to have real trade value.

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

ESPN had both those goals in their top 10 plays of the night.

Did they think it was NHL?

 

[Tripod]

Because it's just right now i want to see a steady progression not red hot ice cold one. Twarynski has to come next year cause of age Hart , Allison and Laczynski because preformances, Rubtsov cause of where they drafted him. If Morin is on Flyers and possible Myers they will have to sign a college D man or an Euro. That would already be promoting 6 to 7 rookies onto the Phantoms next year i don't see how they could possibly be any more, some will have to be sent to Reading , either players on the Phantoms or rookies coming in.
The flyers have already signed every player drafted in the top four rounds the last two years minus Allison 2nd and Ustimenko 3rd , thats 10 players already plus they will draft two more in the first round this year and sign them right away. I am not sure Ron is really looking what he is doing ,there is not room for all them unless he starts packaging them in trades.

Hextall knows exactly what is happening with the kids. We have just been lucky as hell to not have many busts which is great, but it will create a logjam. That's why Marody was traded. Not enough spots compared to bodies. And doing what he did with Marody, extends the pipeline to more years. That will continue to happen.

Just like Cousins and Madsen were flipped for Warren and a 5th in 2018. Trade away extras for re-invest in the future.

 

[Rebels57]

That first jersey looks like it is made with burlap. I predict you would dehydrate like a raisin in about 20 seconds, Cap'n.

It rankles me that the junior gear is just as pricey as the NHL stuff, at least in the "official" outlets. My local Q team's jerseys run about $140, and the nearby AHL team's colours run about the same. I need to add the caveat that I had only the most passing of interests in either so I didn't check out alternative purchasing venues.

I'd really like a Patrick or Provy black Brandon sweater, but I agree that the prices are kind of ridiculous.

 

[wasup]

Hextall knows exactly what is happening with the kids. We have just been lucky as hell to not have many busts which is great, but it will create a logjam. That's why Marody was traded. Not enough spots compared to bodies. And doing what he did with Marody, extends the pipeline to more years. That will continue to happen.

Just like Cousins and Madsen were flipped for Warren and a 5th in 2018. Trade away extras for re-invest in the future.
Marody would not sign neither would Madson but yea some of the rest if they preform better could be used for trades for picks in the future. But draft plus 2 yr, 1 pt per game ain,t increasing your trade value. But if you sign them all it sure makes your scouting staff look great.

 

[deadhead]

There's a virtuous cycle going on with the Flyers under Hextall:
1) start by stockpiling draft picks
2) draft well, both the top picks (your core players) and later in the draft (your depth players)
3) this allows you to avoid signing free agents (preserving cap room) or trading for veteran depth (preserving draft picks)
4) accumulate prospect depth, now you can "marinate" them for 2-3 years in the AHL, promote the best, trade the rest for future draft picks
5) rinse and repeat.

I don't think we'll find too many top 6 forwards/top 4 defensemen after rd 2, Lindblom may prove to be that exception, along with Ghost and Myers.
But we should be able to produce a bunch of bottom 6/third pair out of the rest of the draft.

And Hextall accumulated a bunch of top picks: Rubtsov, Frost, 2 1st and a 2nd this year, NAK, Laberge, Hart, Allison, Ratcliffe (and Morin as a holdover). So we don't need those later round picks to surprise, given there's only one open spot on the top 6/top 4 (4th defenseman).

 

[Deadpool8812]

Laughton should be in the 3rd line center spot right now to see if he can handle it. It's the perfect opportunity to try him out there but for some stupid reason, Hak keep playing Filppula there and he won't even be back next season

 

[Flyerfan13]

Laughton should be in the 3rd line center spot right now to see if he can handle it. It's the perfect opportunity to try him out there but for some stupid reason, Hak keep playing Filppula there and he won't even be back next season

At least we hope he won't.

 

[NicolasAubeKubel]

I'd really like a Patrick or Provy black Brandon sweater, but I agree that the prices are kind of ridiculous.

I got the yellow brandon Nolan Patrick sweater off of Aliexpress and you literally cannot tell the difference. It's actually really nice quality.

Wore it to the game in STL(game that Patrick missed due to concussion) sitting directly behind the flyers bench, you can see me if you watch the highlights haha.

 

[Rebels57]

I got the yellow brandon Nolan Patrick sweater off of Aliexpress and you literally cannot tell the difference. It's actually really nice quality

I'll have to look into that. Thanks!

 

[Curufinwe]

I guess our next prospect signing will be Laczynski a couple of days after the Frozen Four.

 

[Tripod]

I guess our next prospect signing will be Laczynski a couple of days after the Frozen Four.

No word on Allison?

 

[Larry44]

No word on Allison?

It depends on how he knee's healing. It also takes a long time to get to full range after a bad knee injury. They may just tell him to go back to college, rehab fully, and a big fat contract will be waiting for him after next year. Depends on the Drs.