Prospect Info: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc. [mid-March 2021 edition]

[Curufinwe]

A promise of that was probably what he was promised to seal the signing.

The next Vecchione!

 

[deadhead]

I think they'd be happy if J Cates can play 4LW and eventually 4C, allowing Laczynski to move up to 3C if needed.

 

[BernieParent]

Just watched the bulk if the Pittsburgh game and was happy to see that Jeff Carter is still one of the best, fastest and biggest players on the ice, even at 35.

Remember suggestions a couple years ago that we sign Carter instead of Hayes, to fill the 2C gap? How smart would that have been, in retrospect? Carter would be the fastest player on the team, and light years better than Hayes at both ends of the ice. Oh well. Good move by Hexy to nab him for this year and next.

Bad signings can really hurt your team long term. $49M over 7 years for one good year of Hayes is proving to be not optimal.

I thought that Carter's assertion that he would retire instead of being traded was a major impediment, and not just to the Flyers.

 

[Larry44]

That makes sense if burning a year was a signing condition.

 

[Larry44]

I thought that Carter's assertion that he would retire instead of being traded was a major impediment, and not just to the Flyers.

You might be right, I don't remember that, and it would have required a trade too.

 

[Rebels57]

Hextall and Hakstol getting fired and Holmgren retiring didn't change anything to your liking, but the inevitable next round of firings will surely solve everything.

It will solve everything if they don't suck at their jobs.

I actually think Fletcher is salvagable and surprisingly I think Flahr has done a good job so far. He was one of my bigger concerns when hired due to some of the picks he oversaw in Minnesota.

This coaching staff is not salvageable though. If Fletcher can figure that out and nail the next hiring, we are back in business.

What are your thoughts on this staff?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hayes’ contract stunk then & stinks now essentially two years in but Jeff Carter is & has been cooked for years now.

 

[renberg]

It will solve everything if they don't suck at their jobs.

I actually think Fletcher is salvagable and surprisingly I think Flahr has done a good job so far. He was one of my bigger concerns when hired due to some of the picks he oversaw in Minnesota.

This coaching staff is not salvageable though. If Fletcher can figure that out and nail the next hiring, we are back in business.

What are your thoughts on this staff?

I pretty much agree with your post. Fletcher could be salvageable if he checks into what Flyers hockey has been. It’s what sells in this city(hint for Scott). It also has produced winning seasons. A healthy Tim Kerr and Keenan would have had a SC win. Better defense and there could have been a cup in the Lindros years; decent goaltending and the Flyers take down the Blackhawks.
Continuing with charmin hockey like AV has been pushing will cost the franchise any chances of winning a SC and also it’s fan base.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I pretty much agree with your post. Fletcher could be salvageable if he checks into what Flyers hockey has been. It’s what sells in this city(hint for Scott). It also has produced winning seasons. A healthy Tim Kerr and Keenan would have had a SC win. Better defense and there could have been a cup in the Lindros years; decent goaltending and the Flyers take down the Blackhawks.
Continuing with charmin hockey like AV has been pushing will cost the franchise any chances of winning a SC and also it’s fan base.

Shitty goaltending and a lack of homegrown defence are part of traditional "Flyers" hockey. So if you want to go back to that brand of aways be in win mode hockey, that's cool but then you have to realize that the teams will consistently have bad goalies and expensive UFA defenses. Thats part of the brand.

 

[CapnZin]

You couldn't sign him, you had to trade for him, and 3yr/$17M last year at 35. Wouldn't have cost a lot, maybe a 2nd or 3rd.

Carter last few seasons:
2017-18, 12 ES points in 27 games. 2.00 pp/60, xGFrel +0.39
2018-19, 18 in 76 games, 0.98 pp/60, xGFrel -4.43
2019-20, 22 in 60 games, 1.61 pp/60, xGFrel -6.05
2020-21, 16 in 43 games, 1.70 pp/60 xGFrel +1.95
$5.27M cap hit through next season
He doesn't PK. His PP production was 1st group through 2017-18, now 2nd group level.

Carter is a 3C at this point with durability issues.
He's not as good as Hayes, he's probably not as good as Laughton at this point in his career.
He'd have been expensive depth.

Patrick scored at ES, 1.80, 1.71 PP/60 his first two years, while he's down to 0.85 this year, that's probably a combination of rust and puck luck.

Hayes AAV breaks down to paying him 7.5 when he’s 34 lol

 

[deadhead]

Hayes doesn't turn 34 until May, 2026.
So he'll be 33 his last season, probably playing wing.
By that point, the cap should be about 20% higher.

 

[renberg]

Shitty goaltending and a lack of homegrown defence are part of traditional "Flyers" hockey. So if you want to go back to that brand of aways be in win mode hockey, that's cool but then you have to realize that the teams will consistently have bad goalies and expensive UFA defenses. Thats part of the brand.

Obviously there is a need to mend some of the deficiencies that come from the past. However this soft style of play of AV's has to go. The club has the potential of creating a good defense and a strong situation in goal with what is presently in the system. Its the skate around and not be hard on the puck that is a drag. It says it all when a rookie, Allison, shows up and plays competitive hockey and is noticeable in comparison with what else has been on the ice.

 

[Tripod]

2 years from being 2 years away was once a joke. Then it became reality.

Remember when G, Jake and JVR were supposed to be the vets to supply secondary scoring to the team led by great defense, goaltending, and TK, Couts, Patrick, Frost, Farabee, Lindblom leading the way up front.

Now those vets are our top 3 scorers, the defense can't play defense on most nights and the goaltending has been shit.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Hayes doesn't turn 34 until May, 2026.
So he'll be 33 his last season, probably playing wing.
By that point, the cap should be about 20% higher.

That doesn’t change the fact that his term and salary is a serious overpayment for what the value is now and going forward.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The goaltending actually hasn’t been bad in totality this month so far. March was an absolute killer on that front. One of the other bad trends that was overshadowed by that, that’s rearing it’s ugly head is the offense with no shooting heater like for most of this year.

Flaws & all elsewhere the season would be looking different right now if they didn’t get historically bad goaltending in the month March.

So while things would less apocalyptic if they were actually in the playoff picture right now. To me I don’t think they’d be close to contending for a Cup though with those other flaws.

 

[Curufinwe]

I thought that Carter's assertion that he would retire instead of being traded was a major impediment, and not just to the Flyers.

Jeff Carter won't retire, so what are the Kings' options with him?

Jeff Carter emphatically denied that he’s considering retirement, squashing a rumor from earlier in the season that if the Kings dealt him, he would call it quits.

 

[BernieParent]

Jeff Carter won't retire, so what are the Kings' options with him?

Jeff Carter emphatically denied that he’s considering retirement, squashing a rumor from earlier in the season that if the Kings dealt him, he would call it quits.

Thanks, Curu. I console myself with the knowledge that at least I remembered a real rumour.

 

[wasup]

Story: UMD men's hockey: Noah Cates, four seniors will return to Bulldogs for 2021-22 season | Duluth News Tribune

 

[Tripod]

Story: UMD men's hockey: Noah Cates, four seniors will return to Bulldogs for 2021-22 season | Duluth News Tribune

wtf???

Why bother?

 

[macleish1974]

2 years from being 2 years away was once a joke. Then it became reality.

Remember when G, Jake and JVR were supposed to be the vets to supply secondary scoring to the team led by great defense, goaltending, and TK, Couts, Patrick, Frost, Farabee, Lindblom leading the way up front.

Now those vets are our top 3 scorers, the defense can't play defense on most nights and the goaltending has been shit.

But 5 years from now we will be great....right? Hopefully in 45 years when the Flyers win the SC, you will place flowers on our grave [ Rommy will be with me]

 

[Rebels57]

wtf???

Why bother?

What am I missing?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

2 years from being 2 years away was once a joke. Then it became reality.

Remember when G, Jake and JVR were supposed to be the vets to supply secondary scoring to the team led by great defense, goaltending, and TK, Couts, Patrick, Frost, Farabee, Lindblom leading the way up front.

Now those vets are our top 3 scorers, the defense can't play defense on most nights and the goaltending has been shit.

That was always the fear of the route they took. They’re drafting hasn’t been bad but even today with all those picks nobody’s really considerably bridged that gap between them & even older versions of Couturier, Giroux, & Voracek let alone at their peak/prime.

 

[Tripod]

What am I missing?

Cates going back to college. He should be going going pro instead

 

[TB87]

Cates going back to school is dumb.

 

[Rebels57]

Cates going back to college. He should be going going pro instead

Did we sign him? I know we signed his brother.