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PHANEUF to Ottawa in 9 player trade PART II

This statement is a slight on Michalek IMO. Milo was most definitely a roster player who often played in our top 6. He was just injured. So I guess you could say no players off the roster at it stood at the time of the trade.

Agreed because I loved Milo too, it wasn't meant as a slight, but at the end of the day he was a cap dump, and not expected to help us again this year (I think?).

The time that Milan was actually in the lineup, and playing very well, was far outweighed by the time that he was either injured, injured but playing through it, or in a scoring drought of sorts...
 
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It's quite obviously still a work in progress... can't expect 1 man to change it overnight. Maybe changing the look of the backend was a more appropriate comment...

What he has done overnight is given Cody Ceci a real partner and allowed him to start trending back towards being a very good player.

It's made our second pairing a legit second pairing, comparable on paper with some of the leagues best.

It's bumped an undeserving player back down to the third pairing, and another one out of the lineup altogether.

It's made them a much harder group to play against by adding a 25 min a night guy who is legit mean on the ice.

It's added a fiery competitor to a dressing room that could be accused of being too laid back at times, and devoid of any Ra-Ra type personalities. He also does things right off the ice with how he conducts himself, especially his commitment to fitness, which is what these young guys need as an example.

It's reminded any of the players who may have been in doubt over management's commitment to winning, and that they aren't going to sit idly and hope for the best.

It's going to allow us to bring Chabot in slowly, rather than depending on him to come in and transform the look of our once putrid D corps.

This all makes sense
 
I just love that down the stretch, game on the line, Phaneuf - Karlsson is a thing.

I love Methot, but when you desperately need a goal, it's nice knowing that at least we have something other than just Karlsson on the blueline.
 
The greatest benefit in my eyes, has been the outstanding play of Ceci ever since he had a reliable partner to stay back. He's been able to be so much more creative and free, which has made a noticeable jump in his product.
 
The Ceci factor is probably the biggest positive in this whole situation.

Not only have we added a top 3 dman to the roster in Phaneuf, but we've gained another top 4 dman in Ceci (a real legit one, not just by default).

I do think that Ceci was trending towards it even before Dion got here, but the arrival of Dion has accelerated it to the point that there is no more transition period. He's now a solid top 4 d.

That moment last night when Phaneuf scored the tying goal, and then got mobbed by Stone, was pretty much everything that I love about hockey summed up in about 30 seconds.

Seriously though, Brian Murray deserves a freakin medal for pulling this one off. This is about as savvy a move as it gets for a small market budget team.
 
One of our best players since he's been here. Best addition I've seen in Ottawa as far as immediate impact since Andy.
 
The Ceci factor is probably the biggest positive in this whole situation.

Not only have we added a top 3 dman to the roster in Phaneuf, but we've gained another top 4 dman in Ceci (a real legit one, not just by default).

I do think that Ceci was trending towards it even before Dion got here, but the arrival of Dion has accelerated it to the point that there is no more transition period. He's now a solid top 4 d.

That moment last night when Phaneuf scored the tying goal, and then got mobbed by Stone, was pretty much everything that I love about hockey summed up in about 30 seconds.

Seriously though, Brian Murray deserves a freakin medal for pulling this one off. This is about as savvy a move as it gets for a small market budget team.
Unbelievable!! We have to be one of the few teams in the NHL that is not carrying a bad contract....and Mr. Murray has moved 3 of them in the last 8 months. Kudos to him!
 
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How were other teams not all over this? Toronto took 3 bad contracts, a 2nd and a B prospect for an impact dman who can play both sides, PK and PP. We got lucky to acquire Dion for so little
 
How were other teams not all over this? Toronto took 3 bad contracts, a 2nd and a B prospect for an impact dman who can play both sides, PK and PP. We got lucky to acquire Dion for so little
the Leafs wanted something from the Sens, and it snowballed into a trade discussion. The Leafs probably had an idea what Phaneuf's value from past negotiations, and the finances for both teams worked.
 
the Leafs wanted something from the Sens, and it snowballed into a trade discussion. The Leafs probably had an idea what Phaneuf's value from past negotiations, and the finances for both teams worked.

That's probable, but I'm still surprised no other team pit together a package of 3 dumps, a 2nd and a B prospect, especially with the league-wide need for D.
 
How were other teams not all over this? Toronto took 3 bad contracts, a 2nd and a B prospect for an impact dman who can play both sides, PK and PP. We got lucky to acquire Dion for so little

It's a game changer for us for sure because of how little we paid to upgrade so much. We have a realistic window to contend in now, and the assets to do it imo, if we use them wisely.

If we had to wait for a defenceman this good to develop from our system, we very likely would have missed most our key players primes.

That, or we would have had to spend a big part of the future, and/or create a big hole up front to trade for a defenceman of Phaneufs caliber.

Franchise changing move imo.
 
It's a game changer for us for sure because of how little we paid to upgrade so much. We have a realistic window to contend in now, and the assets to do it imo, if we use them wisely.

If we had to wait for a defenceman this good to develop from our system, we very likely would have missed most our key players primes.

That, or we would have had to spend a big part of the future, and/or create a big hole up front to trade for a defenceman of Phaneufs caliber.

Franchise changing move imo.

It's definitely the price we paid that makes it so surprising. We all hoped a team would be up against the cap and have to trade a good player to us in a hugely soft trade, and this fits that bill - except Toronto isn't against the cap.

Odd trade and a beauty for us.
 
That's probable, but I'm still surprised no other team pit together a package of 3 dumps, a 2nd and a B prospect, especially with the league-wide need for D.

Ottawa was in a unique place to take on Phaneuf. 1. He would waive his ntc to come here. 2. We have our top pairing signed to some sweet heart deals. 3. His cap hit doesn't matter much to us since we're not a cap team. Not many teams can just pick up a 7.0 hit mid season for a #3 D. 4. They may have a higher opinion of Lindberg than most teams given his former coach works for them. Maybe they think they got back more than a B prospect.
 
Ottawa was in a unique place to take on Phaneuf. 1. He would waive his ntc to come here. 2. We have our top pairing signed to some sweet heart deals. 3. His cap hit doesn't matter much to us since we're not a cap team. Not many teams can just pick up a 7.0 hit mid season for a #3 D. 4. They may have a higher opinion of Lindberg than most teams given his former coach works for them. Maybe they think they got back more than a B prospect.

I bet there was more than one team that was waiting unil the off season to try for Dion - and we beat them to it because of our cap space etc.

Lindberg is a nice prospect, but he's certainly a B prospect when analysing imo
 
Unbelievable!! We have to be one of the few teams in the NHL that is not carrying a bad contract....and Mr. Murray has moved 3 of them in the last 8 months. Kudos to him!

Let's not be delusional and say that Phaneuf's contract is a good one. It's not bad for an 'internal cap' or I'd like to say now just a team with lots of cap room team since we don't seem to be shy of spending, but for any of the top spending 20 teams, it's a huge anchor. A second pairing Dman getting paid 7million until he's 35 is not very good cap management and he's already at 30 yo so his play will likely begin to regress, if the average NHL career is any indication, at the halfway point of his tenure here at 33 yo.

How were other teams not all over this? Toronto took 3 bad contracts, a 2nd and a B prospect for an impact dman who can play both sides, PK and PP. We got lucky to acquire Dion for so little


Luckily, his dollars are a little less so the team's budget isn't thrown off completely (even at 6.6mil it's kind of steep, but his contract shouldn't hinder our future decisions), but for teams that do need help on D and might've wanted a guy of Phaneuf's caliber, his cap hit was too much. For example: Philly, Tampa, Vancouver, Rangers, Flames, Boston, Sharks, Dallas, Edmonton...and the list goes on, all have under 3million cap space (with the exception of Edmonton).

Each team has their own monster contracts that Toronto would've likely needed tp take back (A.Macdonald, Callahan/Carle, Miller/Sbisa/Burrows, Staal/Girardi, Frolik/Jones, Beleskey/Seidenberg, Martin/Ward, Spezza/Lehtonen, and Fayne/Ference/Sekera).

Why would Toronto have taken our dumps and not these? Most are tied down for 3+ years with these contracts and they're singularly equal to basically all three of ours combined.

I like Phaneuf and I think trading for him was a good move and took great execution by GMBM but we're one of the few teams for which this move works out in our favour, more so than it does them but still overall mutually beneficial.
 
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It seems teams were hung up on trying to get Toronto to retain salary so Phaneuf would have a lower cap hit.

We're gambling a bit taking on the full contract for the next 5 years but it's a rather low risk gamble seeing as we're not a cap team and his contract was somewhat front loaded.
 
we basically upgraded dead cap space in Cowen, Greening and partly Milo to a huge team need. I think the savings from this season and next season from this trade will be used as carry forwards to pay for Dions later contract years.

I also like this move just because of intangibles. I know I hate that word more than anyone but former captain, who knows how to motivate team mates and wants to win more than anyone else. Sign me up.
 
we basically upgraded dead cap space in Cowen, Greening and partly Milo to a huge team need. I think the savings from this season and next season from this trade will be used as carry forwards to pay for Dions later contract years.

I also like this move just because of intangibles. I know I hate that word more than anyone but former captain, who knows how to motivate team mates and wants to win more than anyone else. Sign me up.

Everyone always said veteran stability in Gonchar and Kuba helped Karlsson find his game. Phaneuf can hopefully achieve the same with Ceci, while also being a big contributor to team success like those previous two.
 

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