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5-3 Canada.

Canada : Bergeron , Crosby , Dawes , Carter , Phaneuf

Russia : Shirokov , Ovechkin , Malkin.
 
19bruins19 said:
Please, you can't be serious. Carter is a better player than Shirokov.
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Not that I disagree with you. I do think Carter is better as well, but Shirokov most certainly is a good player as well and I can see where someone could say they think he's been the better player.

Personally, I think Bergeron has been the best player in the entire tournament, and will most likely make a big impact in the finals.
 
This game has a number of matchups that will determine the outcome.

Ovechkin vs. Phaneuf/Weber

Get used to seeing this matchup, they will be constantly on the ice against each other, weather it be even strength, powerplay or penalty kill. If Ovechkin can be shut down, I don't think there's much doubt that Canada will win. Ovechkin is the best Russian player, Phaneuf is in my opinion, the best Canadian. I expect a physical battle whenever these guys are on the ice together. It should be an interesting matchup and very fun to watch. The winner of this battle will be anyone's best guess but will go a long way to determining the outcome.

Ovechkin vs. Crosby

The two "next one's" The two players who are supposed to dominate hockey through the next decade or two. Weather they will live up to expectations is anyones guess but in this one game, winner take all match, both will have to be at their best. This will be there last shot at winning gold at this tournament barring a longer lockout than expected. Crosby however, is still only 17 and playing in a 19 year olds tournament isn't exactly following in the footsteps of the Great One despite his six goals.

Russian Defense vs. Canadian Forwards

The Russian defense, outside of Megalinski and Belov are pretty undersized. Team Canada's forwards, on the other hand are massive for the most part. If Canada forechecks the Russian defense hard in the early going with the likes of Stewart, Getzlaf and Carter, they should stand a better chance in the later going. The cycle game of Canada has also been a huge strength. I expect them to be able to control the game along the walls in the offensive zone and create good chances either at the goalmouth or with open shots from the point.

Glass vs. Khudobin

The glaring match-up that on paper, could go any way. In my opinion, it should just come down to who is having the good night. There could be one guy who steps up, or one that chokes. Both goalies are relatively unproven in this tournament although Khudobin has faced considerably more shots than Glass. It is the game of these young men's life and it is anyones best guess as to how they will perform come Tuesday night.

Canadian Penalty Killers vs. Russian Powerplay

The Canadian penalty killers are simply outstanding. The likes of Macarthur, Fraser, Richards, and Dixon have been phenomonal in pressuring the opposing defensemen and creating several offensive chances of their own. However, they haven't faced a powerplay comparable to that of the Russians. It will be important for Canada's forwards and defensemen to get in passing lanes and clear the front of the net, and also to watch for potential backdoor opportunities.


I think that the comparison of Shirokov to Carter definitely needs to come to an end. There is no doubt that Carter is the better player. Shirokov is lighting it up this tournament, and is definitely comparable to Carter offensively, but Carter's game is so well-rounded in the defensive and checking aspects of the game, it's really not a fair comparison at all. In terms of the Bergeron-Malkin comparisons, both in my opinion are excellent players that will need to have big games Tuesday. I'd rather have Bergeron than Malkin for this game simply because he has experience of big games (NHL playoff game 7, World Championships) under his belt and he is a year older than Malkin. Don't get me wrong, Malkin is a great talent who I would take over Bergeron any day when starting a franchise, but I'd rather have the better rounded Bergeron for this one game.
 
Very awesome game.

Can Russia penetrate the Canadian defense?
Can Glass hold Russia out, it hasn't been proven that he can yet, although neither has it been proven that he cannot.
Can the Russian defense/goaltending limit Canada's tallies?

Both teams have firepower. Canada has a superior defense, but how will they respond. They are down to 6, and there are no guarantees on how Seabrook's health will be.

Canada 6 Russia 4
 
willie said:
Frankly, I don't even this going to much a game. Sure, Russia has some amazing top-end talent but, at the end of the day, I think their skill will be negated by a dominant Canadian defense. I'm thinking the game is going to wind up something like 7-2 with shots heavily in favour of Canada.

Just because Canada utilizes a mix of power,leadership, & energy to play hockey doesn't mean skill is not an equally integral part of their team. This Canadian team is damn skilled and every bit as talented as their Russian counterparts.
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1st paragraph is just dreams ! Even on my side I never expect a 7-2 Russia over Canada. Not with all the power on both sides.

2nd paragraph : I meant that the staff always go with 2 offensive power , 3rd line half offensive, half defensive & the 4thline = Energy line. Always has been like that & that worked most of the time. I'm not saying it's not good , i'm just saying that someone like Alexandre Picard on Russia would have been picked because SKILLS is what's matter on Russia !!!

We play the most talented player that's all on our team & we create a chemistry after. We don't think something like ''This guy can't be our 3rd liner, he's not that defensive, he can only scores'' like the Canada where you think that it's important to have ''ROLE PLAYERS''.

Is that bad ? Nope , just 2 major difference between how Canada's staff is working & how the Russian's staff thinking.
 
letterH said:
I am a little surprised at some Canadian fans cheering Canada. Reading all the posts when the list of invitees was posted, I recall many saying they were not going to cheer for Canada. Its funny looking back at how so many said there were too many WHL players, and how disgusted they were at Sutter and Hockey Canada. Now, CANADA RULES for them once again....
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I've been meaning to mention it.I think they had a point in that there are players from other leagues who could be doing just fine in the same roles as the guys here from the dub that got picked but i never agreed that the picks were wrong...i just think it's one of those years where whether a guy like Bernier got picked would'nt make any difference because they are just strong anyway.As for Canadian fans not cheering for team Canada because they did'nt like the picks well.....that is something that just struck me as bizarre........talk about having a favourite player skewer your judgement.....amazing...i'll never understand that attitude.
 
Russian Fan said:
I could have talked about PArshin, Nikulin & Pestunov but why bother , people who never watched them would easily say that their canadians are better because they saw them in the CHL.

I agree that Canada's 4th line is NO MATCH with Russia's 4th line but at this point & on 1 GAME (not a best of 7) 3 lines & 5 D will be enough.
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Very True, so let the best team win!!!
 
All other stuff aside has Canada seen offense like the Russians yet in the tourney(i've only seen the us games)? and can their goaltending hold up? This was my first look at Ovechkin and Malkin and I am very impressed wth their skill. Just happy to be watching skilled hockey players able to use their skill no like in the NHL. Enver Lisin hs also been impressive. Canada will also nee to watch that homerun pass from the Russians that goes from endline to blueline in one pass---they caught the US d-men a couple of times. For American fans it's a shame that Canada wasn't in our pool, I would've liked to see them play. As far as the taunting is concerned IMO if you taunt when you win be a man and taunt when you lose. Kind of like the NBA. You would never know if a players team is winning big or losing because they celebrate with head pounds and chest bumps even when they are getting smoked. Not good IMO, but what ever floats your boat you just can't have it both ways. Good luck to all hope it will be a good game.
 
Look all this bravado is useless. Let's look at some facts. In the last 10 years Canada and Russia both won 3 golds. Canada a total of 9 medals; Russia 8. Do I need to say more?
 
Goaltending should be fairly even as well as offensive firepower, but when it comes to defence (d-men and forwards abilities), grit, heart and CLASS, this will be men against boys.

5-2 Canada and hopefully Phaneuf and Webber catch a few of these prima-donnas with their heads down at the blue-line. (Sorry guys, I didn't feel that way until last night).
 
Both teams have incredible offense. Team Canada has better defense, but the goalie hasn't been really tested yet.

I'd still go for a 6-4 victory for Canada, with the last one being an empty netter.

Lets hope for a clean, exciting game without taunting or unnecessary violence.
 
ryz said:
Goaltending should be fairly even as well as offensive firepower, but when it comes to defence (d-men and forwards abilities), grit, heart and CLASS, this will be men against boys.

5-2 Canada and hopefully Phaneuf and Webber catch a few of these prima-donnas with their heads down at the blue-line. (Sorry guys, I didn't feel that way until last night).
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Thats because the Russians didn't act up until it was warrented.
 
St.Louis sports fan said:
All other stuff aside has Canada seen offense like the Russians yet in the tourney(i've only seen the us games)? and can their goaltending hold up? This was my first look at Ovechkin and Malkin and I am very impressed wth their skill. Just happy to be watching skilled hockey players able to use their skill no like in the NHL. Enver Lisin hs also been impressive. Canada will also nee to watch that homerun pass from the Russians that goes from endline to blueline in one pass---they caught the US d-men a couple of times. For American fans it's a shame that Canada wasn't in our pool, I would've liked to see them play. As far as the taunting is concerned IMO if you taunt when you win be a man and taunt when you lose. Kind of like the NBA. You would never know if a players team is winning big or losing because they celebrate with head pounds and chest bumps even when they are getting smoked. Not good IMO, but what ever floats your boat you just can't have it both ways. Good luck to all hope it will be a good game.
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I like your comments. Canada has not seen anything like the Russians yet, the closest thing was probably themselves during practice.

I have only seen the Russians twice, so I can't tell much, but from I've seen, Canada needs to be at its best to win, because if Russia gets the best efforts from Malkin and Ovechkin, Russia has will probably win. If Canada starts like they did against the Czechs (missing empty nets, getting nervous) and that Russia scores first, it's anybody's game.

I think that's the only way that Canada will lose (that and a goaltending's collapes, but that's always the case so...) It's the only way, but it very well could happen if they get nervous and do not play 100%

But I'm probably biased as hell so...
 
I personally think Bergeron will come up with a huge game and carry Canada to a fairly close win.

6-4 Canada

Crosby, Stewart, Phaneuf, Bergeron (3)


Malkin (2), Shirokov, Ovechkin
 
Russian Fan said:
1st paragraph is just dreams ! Even on my side I never expect a 7-2 Russia over Canada. Not with all the power on both sides.

2nd paragraph : I meant that the staff always go with 2 offensive power , 3rd line half offensive, half defensive & the 4thline = Energy line. Always has been like that & that worked most of the time. I'm not saying it's not good , i'm just saying that someone like Alexandre Picard on Russia would have been picked because SKILLS is what's matter on Russia !!!

We play the most talented player that's all on our team & we create a chemistry after. We don't think something like ''This guy can't be our 3rd liner, he's not that defensive, he can only scores'' like the Canada where you think that it's important to have ''ROLE PLAYERS''.

Is that bad ? Nope , just 2 major difference between how Canada's staff is working & how the Russian's staff thinking.
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Well, if you look at Canada's track record at the pro level, this mentality seems to work. As for Russia's, well...
 
EroCaps said:
He's a year behind Ovechkin and Malkin, maybe a little more. Both of whom make a living playing w/30 yr olds, and producing...
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The comparisons have to stop. Sidney is a Canadian hockey player, playing a Canadian brand of hockey. The other 2 are Russians playing another type of game. Which one will be more suited for the NHL? We'll see. The NHL ain't the Russian Super League. Sorry to wake you up on that.
 
CSKA said:
O dude thats so funny :joker: I mean when we talk about Kovalchuk : A Russian Rocket who will score ton of goals but he never will win a Hart Trophy or win a cup

And what about Nash ha ? "Nash is the raining rocket man" ? He can do it all ? "NASHER is the real deal"


I see Malkin very close to Ovechkin ............but im still think Kovalchuk is best draftet player since 10-15 years !
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Kovalchuk?!? Why? Show me some stats that prove it. 15 years?!?
 
Gags1288 said:
First of all, I think that the players who went 1-4 in that draft were, are, and will be better players that Malkin. That's just the way I see it; two will be dominate D-men, one will be a top 3 NHL goalie, and the last has already scored 40 in a season.

As for your second comment, I'm american. I'm very american and quite frankly, I sometimes also don't appreciate the way that some Canadians (a very small minority) feel that there is nothing beyond Canadian hockey. However, what the Russian squad did last night, what the Russian squad, namely Ilya Kovalchuk (a player I love to watch play) did a few years ago did not represent what these hockey championships are all about. I'm sure you can see that despite being a fan of team Russia.
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Have you seen Kovalchuk act the same way in the real league? No way, because he knows he'll get his head unscrewed pretty fast.

This is the juniors, just like College football. There is much more triumphalism in College football than in the NFL. Kids are hyped up crazy. Same with junior hockey at the international level. Hey, I remember when the Soviet teams did not even raise their sticks after a goal, not even rejoicing. THAT made me hate them much more than the taunting, which is part of the show...until someone chops your head off.
 
CSKA said:
Please dont understand me wrong BUT why is Bergeron a better all-round player ? Because Malkin is russian and can only score Goals ????
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They are still pups at the hockey level. They haven't proven squat yet. Let's wait before we start comparing them.
 
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