Peterborough Petes 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I

[frontsfan67]

Believe with the OHL draft lottery- it was only implemented because of Covid. Covid is done now would it not make sense to get rid of that? Unfortunately for your sake though it would probably come into play next season if something were to be done about that.

 

[WillardJFredricks]

Here's a positive: we get to see Lardis Thursday. He'll probably score a couple, but I've always liked watching him play.

 

[Section5Petes]

Here's a positive: we get to see Lardis Thursday. He'll probably score a couple, but I've always liked watching him play.

The one that got away... This stretch has only solidified one thing for me and it is I hope that Oke and this team never outright try to buy a championship again. We should be able to draft and develop year over year where we don't need to be hellbent on going all in with a specific age group (the '03s when we won) and instead can make necessary roster adjustments without breaking the bank and trading all of our picks and high end players like Nick Lardis and Jack Van Volsen that I wish were still on this team. I know I may sound like a broken record here but I never want to cut this deep again with this hardcore of a rebuild, when we instead could have age groups waves of talent that allows us to remain competitive year after year as opposed to only aiming for success once every three or four years. Obviously some buying and selling would take place, but the highs and lows will never reach what we are going through now...

 

[armchaircoaches]

Mccallum and Cameron are the only 2 assets you get something back for. Would be a shame. But would be the only 2 guys other teams would want IMO.

Mccallum is almost certain to be gone at deadline no sense of keeping him around for this rebuild which will still be going on when he aged out anyways let’s get a decent 07 n some picks

 

[NorthernVoice]

Mccallum is almost certain to be gone at deadline no sense of keeping him around for this rebuild which will still be going on when he aged out anyways let’s get a decent 07 n some picks

McCallum is an 06 who will almost certainly be an OA in this league. He lines up very well, unless we're already kicking a year down the road to align with the 08 born players.

 

[Section7fan]

Mccallum is almost certain to be gone at deadline no sense of keeping him around for this rebuild which will still be going on when he aged out anyways let’s get a decent 07 n some picks

To be replaced with what? He’s got potential but hasn’t lit the lamp this year. This team needs more 06 players that can step up and help the 07’s.

 

[Petes]

The one that got away... This stretch has only solidified one thing for me and it is I hope that Oke and this team never outright try to buy a championship again. We should be able to draft and develop year over year where we don't need to be hellbent on going all in with a specific age group (the '03s when we won) and instead can make necessary roster adjustments without breaking the bank and trading all of our picks and high end players like Nick Lardis and Jack Van Volsen that I wish were still on this team. I know I may sound like a broken record here but I never want to cut this deep again with this hardcore of a rebuild, when we instead could have age groups waves of talent that allows us to remain competitive year after year as opposed to only aiming for success once every three or four years. Obviously some buying and selling would take place, but the highs and lows will never reach what we are going through now...

This is a very, very poor take.

This season may suck… but I’d do it all over again for that playoff run. Winning the championship at home infront of a sold out PMC…The city and arena were absolutely electric. Worth it.

This rebuild will end. That banner hangs forever.

 

[Section5Petes]

This is a very, very poor take.

This season may suck… but I’d do it all over again for that playoff run. Winning the championship at home infront of a sold out PMC…The city and arena were absolutely electric. Worth it.

This rebuild will end. That banner hangs forever.

I was a little groggy waking up and posted a hastily made message lol I wouldn’t trade any championships either but I just wish we would try to accomplish those championships in a much more sustainable manner instead of blowing our brains out around one year age group. That’s more so what I meant. That way we wouldn’t have to dump off young players and picks every time we want to make a run. It boils down to consistency year after year. We should be able to get the most out of our homegrown players with strong player development as our base which can help lead us to solid playoff runs. Putting this thought into words clearly didn’t come out well but I hope this clears it up a bit!

 

[User13452]

Idk if it was talked about or if anyone noticed Addy got healthy scratched Friday night

 

[Petes1987]

The one that got away... This stretch has only solidified one thing for me and it is I hope that Oke and this team never outright try to buy a championship again. We should be able to draft and develop year over year where we don't need to be hellbent on going all in with a specific age group (the '03s when we won) and instead can make necessary roster adjustments without breaking the bank and trading all of our picks and high end players like Nick Lardis and Jack Van Volsen that I wish were still on this team. I know I may sound like a broken record here but I never want to cut this deep again with this hardcore of a rebuild, when we instead could have age groups waves of talent that allows us to remain competitive year after year as opposed to only aiming for success once every three or four years. Obviously some buying and selling would take place, but the highs and lows will never reach what we are going through now...

What happened two seasons ago was a unique situation. That year was the Petes window to contend and building the team had been impacted because of Covid. They had not been able to do a full rebuild after the run they made in the cancelled 2019-2020 season. They were not able trade Nick Robertson for a high return of a couple of players and multiple draft picks. They also could have traded other players for players and draft picks. They would have had some of the players or similar players that they traded for already on their roster and would have had more assets to trade for the players they needed. As a result they might have not had to go into a complete rebuild last season if they had retained more of their draft picks. The OHL Championship was worth the rebuild we are currently under going.

 

[WillardJFredricks]

3 in 3 this weekend. I would guess they go with Rye for the home games and Johnston in Kingston? Rye has looked solid so far. Has had some bad deflections (including from his own teammate). I'm hoping the kid can do well, for his sake, and the team. If nothing else it's a chance to show he's an OHL goalie after being on the margins for a couple of seasons.

 

[OMG67]

The one that got away... This stretch has only solidified one thing for me and it is I hope that Oke and this team never outright try to buy a championship again. We should be able to draft and develop year over year where we don't need to be hellbent on going all in with a specific age group (the '03s when we won) and instead can make necessary roster adjustments without breaking the bank and trading all of our picks and high end players like Nick Lardis and Jack Van Volsen that I wish were still on this team. I know I may sound like a broken record here but I never want to cut this deep again with this hardcore of a rebuild, when we instead could have age groups waves of talent that allows us to remain competitive year after year as opposed to only aiming for success once every three or four years. Obviously some buying and selling would take place, but the highs and lows will never reach what we are going through now...

In all fairness, the ‘06 and ‘07 draft classes for the Petes were horrible. Garbage really. Fine, you traded away a bunch of players to make a run but you didn’t have the replacements to even give you a chance. Then, for the rebuild, you traded a bunch of players you shouldn’t have. For example, if you had to do it all over again, would you trade McCue and Smith for Addy? Just some dumb trades. Way too many.

Had the Petes drafted a lot better or even average, this rebuild wouldn’t look so awful. The poor drafting in those two drafts make the ‘07s you acquired last year virtually useless. Those are likely trade bait next year and/or the year after to continue the rebuild.

You make great points in this post. Build a foundation and stockpile some draft picks. When the time comes, throw a bunch of assets at a run. BUT, the following year, you should only need to trade one key player, maybe two at most. You shouldn’t be trading everything not nailed down and then expect an expansion team (effectively what it is) to rebuild with nothing to insulate the key players you traded for.

I think this is an example of what not to do. It is fine to trade a little too much to make the run and win a championship be JEZUS, why rebuild all in one year by trading McCoy, Smith, McCue, Beck, Dubois, Mayer, Simpson, and Lockhart. Maybe move the OA’s but not all of them. Keep some insulation. Smith and McCue should not have been traded. Again, keep some insulation. Help your young players develop.

IMO, Beck is an obvious trade. Trade one of McCoy or Smith and keep the other. Keep McCue. Move Simpson, Dubois and Mayer and Lockhart. That would have been enough IMO. If you’d have had McCue and one of Smith or McCoy, the team woudl be a lot better. Maybe you win a few more close games. Your young players aren’t running around chasing pucks all game.

But, ultimately, if the drafts weren’t so horrible in 2022 and 2023 (especially 2022), you’d have a few more experienced players out there. Nothing can kill a team more than back to back awful drafts.

 

[frontsfan67]

There’s a lot of teams that buy like crazy every few years and not everybody wins the championship. Some teams haven’t even gotten to the finals. I would trade 5-10 years of last place for a championship finally. Some franchises are just spoiled. You’ll get knights fans complaining if they ever lose second or third round when a team like Kingston has only ever been to the third round twice in 50 years lol.

Banners do hang forever like “Pete’s” said

 

[OMG67]

There’s a lot of teams that buy like crazy every few years and not everybody wins the championship. Some teams haven’t even gotten to the finals. I would trade 5-10 years of last place for a championship finally. Some franchises are just spoiled. You’ll get knights fans complaining if they ever lose second or third round when a team like Kingston has only ever been to the third round twice in 50 years lol.

Banners do hang forever like “Pete’s” said

I think you may be missing the point. This Petes team is not completely a result of doing what it takes to win a Championship. This has more to do with garbage drafting two years in a row.

We can criticize some of the trade choices, both during the Championship season and last season. Fine. But, when you come out of the 2022 draft with basically MacCallum who isn’t really all that effective, and you only trade away JVV, and then follow it up with virtually nothing out of the 2023 draft, how do you win games?

It is the combination of trading away too much last year and awful drafting. I don’t know what percentage of the problem lays in either but its probably close to 50-50.

 

[frontsfan67]

I think you may be missing the point. This Petes team is not completely a result of doing what it takes to win a Championship. This has more to do with garbage drafting two years in a row.

We can criticize some of the trade choices, both during the Championship season and last season. Fine. But, when you come out of the 2022 draft with basically MacCallum who isn’t really all that effective, and you only trade away JVV, and then follow it up with virtually nothing out of the 2023 draft, how do you win games?

Good point. Believe I misunderstood. 2023 draft is HORRIBLE except for Cameron. They better hope Gavin lock comes over because if he doesn’t that’s one of the worst drafts I’ve ever seen it’s pretty impressive with how bad they screwed that one up. Someone should get fired for that lol

 

[User13452]

In all fairness, the ‘06 and ‘07 draft classes for the Petes were horrible. Garbage really. Fine, you traded away a bunch of players to make a run but you didn’t have the replacements to even give you a chance. Then, for the rebuild, you traded a bunch of players you shouldn’t have. For example, if you had to do it all over again, would you trade McCue and Smith for Addy? Just some dumb trades. Way too many.

Had the Petes drafted a lot better or even average, this rebuild wouldn’t look so awful. The poor drafting in those two drafts make the ‘07s you acquired last year virtually useless. Those are likely trade bait next year and/or the year after to continue the rebuild.

You make great points in this post. Build a foundation and stockpile some draft picks. When the time comes, throw a bunch of assets at a run. BUT, the following year, you should only need to trade one key player, maybe two at most. You shouldn’t be trading everything not nailed down and then expect an expansion team (effectively what it is) to rebuild with nothing to insulate the key players you traded for.

I think this is an example of what not to do. It is fine to trade a little too much to make the run and win a championship be JEZUS, why rebuild all in one year by trading McCoy, Smith, McCue, Beck, Dubois, Mayer, Simpson, and Lockhart. Maybe move the OA’s but not all of them. Keep some insulation. Smith and McCue should not have been traded. Again, keep some insulation. Help your young players develop.

IMO, Beck is an obvious trade. Trade one of McCoy or Smith and keep the other. Keep McCue. Move Simpson, Dubois and Mayer and Lockhart. That would have been enough IMO. If you’d have had McCue and one of Smith or McCoy, the team woudl be a lot better. Maybe you win a few more close games. Your young players aren’t running around chasing pucks all game.

But, ultimately, if the drafts weren’t so horrible in 2022 and 2023 (especially 2022), you’d have a few more experienced players out there. Nothing can kill a team more than back to back awful drafts.

It’s really looking like they butchered the Smith and Mccue trade at the time getting a first round 07 seemed like it was good but Addy hasn’t shown much promise. If they hold both those guys they get a ton more this year. I was okay with dealing Smith just on the risk he wasn’t back this year alone. Looking back at it the deal should have been smith for addy and the pick not sure why they felt the need to get Matijeck. Maybe they can get a pick or two for Matijeck this year but they really fumbled that deal. They also haven’t drafted well