Peterborough Petes 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part I

[User13452]

True about the OA's (poor management decisions) but if Wilson had shown any ability to develop young players, then we might not be concerned about the lack of development of Taylor, Addy, etc. Wilson hasn't shown he can develop anyone. He's shown he can take a group of super skilled veterans and let them play enough to win, despite his coaching. No development has been shown, however. It's hard to have any faith in this coaching staff. I sure hope I'm wrong and these guys start scoring.

I agree the only thing I’d say is there’s a handful of guys on the team who are borderline ohl players imo

 

[armchaircoaches]

True about the OA's (poor management decisions) but if Wilson had shown any ability to develop young players, then we might not be concerned about the lack of development of Taylor, Addy, etc. Wilson hasn't shown he can develop anyone. He's shown he can take a group of super skilled veterans and let them play enough to win, despite his coaching. No development has been shown, however. It's hard to have any faith in this coaching staff. I sure hope I'm wrong and these guys start scoring.

It would be tough for anyone to produce in the system Wilson is using

It would be tough for anyone to produce in the system Wilson is using

Feel for the players has to be very frustrating

 

[Stellar29]

Are they? I can't figure out Owen Sound. They definitely won the deal with the Petes but Smith is a 2004/OA and McCue is a 2005/OA next year. They fleeced Oshawa as well in acquring Bedkowski (2006) and Delisle (2007) but despite winning big in these trades, I still see a team that's going to just middle along for the next few seasons with no real shot at winning in any of them.

I think Peterborough and Oshawa both lose their respective trades on paper but I also think they made them with a clear objective/target in mind that I don't really see from Owen Sound, who turned their assets into four players who don't really line up for a deep playoff run.

That's just my view from the outside though.

Owen Sound is building around the 07/08 group. It's a pretty solid 07 group and the 08s show promise early on with Mbuyi and Arnett as standouts. I think the results start coming next season in what could be a good two year window for them. The D looks really solid and the goaltending should be a strength. Just need some of the forwards to really take a strides and show they can take over on offense.

 

[Petesfan8]

I feel for Nico Addy -he was a better player when he first arrived here. It seems like he hasn’t been coached or guided.
They need to develop him or trade because he is talented.

I think it woud be overreacting to consider trading any of these 17 year olds. They need time and I don't think the coaching is holding them back. look at Lardis he didn't light it up when he was here and seems to be doing Ok since he got bigger and stronger. Cant be too quick to judge.

 

[Petes1]

I think it woud be overreacting to consider trading any of these 17 year olds. They need time and I don't think the coaching is holding them back. look at Lardis he didn't light it up when he was here and seems to be doing Ok since he got bigger and stronger. Cant be too quick to judge.

Lardis is probably not the best example to use in defence of the coaching.

 

[User13452]

I think it woud be overreacting to consider trading any of these 17 year olds. They need time and I don't think the coaching is holding them back. look at Lardis he didn't light it up when he was here and seems to be doing Ok since he got bigger and stronger. Cant be too quick to judge.

Lardis had over 50 points in his second year

 

[WillardJFredricks]

I think it woud be overreacting to consider trading any of these 17 year olds. They need time and I don't think the coaching is holding them back. look at Lardis he didn't light it up when he was here and seems to be doing Ok since he got bigger and stronger. Cant be too quick to judge.

I'm not saying to trade any of that young group. It would just be nice to see some progress.

 

[LDN]

Who is the top rated player for the 2025 ohl draft? I’m assuming your team is looking to get back into being in the playoff picture next season. What other improvements would you be looking for?

 

[OHL4Life]

Are they? I can't figure out Owen Sound. They definitely won the deal with the Petes but Smith is a 2004/OA and McCue is a 2005/OA next year. They fleeced Oshawa as well in acquring Bedkowski (2006) and Delisle (2007) but despite winning big in these trades, I still see a team that's going to just middle along for the next few seasons with no real shot at winning in any of them.

I think Peterborough and Oshawa both lose their respective trades on paper but I also think they made them with a clear objective/target in mind that I don't really see from Owen Sound, who turned their assets into four players who don't really line up for a deep playoff run.

That's just my view from the outside though.

what do you think they will trade smith and mccue for, itll be an 08 if they decide to do both.

 

[NorthernVoice]

Lardis had over 50 points in his second year

At a 0.53 points per game clip in Peterborough and a 1.39 points per game clip in Hamilton. Which do you think looked better to NHL scouts watching him.

Wilson didn't or wouldn't deploy and develop him properly at all.

 

[NorthernVoice]

what do you think they will trade smith and mccue for, itll be an 08 if they decide to do both.

They had a first round pick to start with in Addy, so trading an 07 1st rounder for the two players, just to get swept in round one last year and be sellers again this year, to maybe get that first rounder back in a trade is the wheel spinning I'm talking about.

Unless they soured on Addy within a few months of drafting him (possible) what was the point, they could have just developed their guy from the start instead of getting no marginal improvement in the league standings or long term prospects with Smith and McCue.

 

[Petesfan8]

At a 0.53 points per game clip in Peterborough and a 1.39 points per game clip in Hamilton. Which do you think looked better to NHL scouts watching him.

Wilson didn't or wouldn't deploy and develop him properly at all.

Don't forget Hamilton was struggling at the time therefore Lardis got quality ice time. This is not comparing apples to apples.

 

[NorthernVoice]

Don't forget Hamilton was struggling at the time therefore Lardis got quality ice time. This is not comparing apples to apples.

I'm pretty sure the 1.4 point per game player could have found his way to more opportunities in Peterborough if the coach was willing to use him properly. Avery Hayes who came in directly for him didn't seem to have any troubles finding quality ice time.

 

[Generalsupdates]

They fleeced Oshawa as well in acquring Bedkowski (2006) and Delisle (2007)

You've been reading too many Donnie posts!

They traded a full season of a perennial 50 goal scorer and didn't get back 3x2nds or an 08 born player... They got less for a full year of him than teams usually get for those types of players at the deadline for half a season of them. Not to mention their 2 big offers were Delisle from OSH and Moses from BAR, and they picked Delisle. NB is sure happy they did that..

 

[NorthernVoice]

You've been reading too many Donnie posts!

They traded a full season of a perennial 50 goal scorer and didn't get back 3x2nds or an 08 born player... They got less for a full year of him than teams usually get for those types of players at the deadline for half a season of them. Not to mention their 2 big offers were Delisle from OSH and Moses from BAR, and they picked Delisle. NB is sure happy they did that..

I don't really care to rehash the arguments on that trade, I think Bedkowski is really good and Delisle has a lot of upside. I get why Oshawa did it but asset wise, I really like Owen Sound's return.

"Perennial 50 goal scorer" Barlow is more of a "perennial 30 goal scorer", he's done that three times, 50 zero times and 40 twice... Right now he is on pace for 20 this season. He should have had about 5 his last game in Peterborough but he missed glorious chance after glorious chance, the type the guy you give up that package for should finish at least a couple.

Ultimately from Oshawa's side what happens in the playoff is all that matters anyway, so as I said at the start of all this, I understand the trade more from Oshawa's perspective in the context of where they are than Owen Sound's, even if I like the Attack side better from a pure asset standpoint (same as the Petes trade with them!)

 

[User13452]

You've been reading too many Donnie posts!

They traded a full season of a perennial 50 goal scorer and didn't get back 3x2nds or an 08 born player... They got less for a full year of him than teams usually get for those types of players at the deadline for half a season of them. Not to mention their 2 big offers were Delisle from OSH and Moses from BAR, and they picked Delisle. NB is sure happy they did that..

How can a player be a perennial 50 goal scorer when they’ve never scored 50 in a season in the league?

 

[leafs4life94]

How can a player be a perennial 50 goal scorer when they’ve never scored 50 in a season in the league?

Don't get me wrong I'm not an Oshawa guy and I actually haven't been all that impressed by Barlow in the two Kingston games I've seen from him, but the last two years he's been on a 50 goal pace.

So yeah technically he's not a 50 goal guy but it's not the most outlandish stretch I've seen on here.

 

[Generalsupdates]

How can a player be a perennial 50 goal scorer when they’ve never scored 50 in a season in the league?

Pace.

46 goals in 59 games (on pace for 53 over a full season) 2 years ago

40 goals in 50 games (on pace for 54 over a full season) last year

 

[AttackBeacher]

They had a first round pick to start with in Addy, so trading an 07 1st rounder for the two players, just to get swept in round one last year and be sellers again this year, to maybe get that first rounder back in a trade is the wheel spinning I'm talking about.

Unless they soured on Addy within a few months of drafting him (possible) what was the point, they could have just developed their guy from the start instead of getting no marginal improvement in the league standings or long term prospects with Smith and McCue.

I can only speak for what the whispers around the rink have stated.

The excitement for Addy to sign was high in April, but after the first few months of the season, the excitement on both sides waned it seems. On the Addy side I'm sure they didn't love the coaching (join the club) and lack of initial success, while there were some suggested/whispered off ice struggles (nothing too bad, but the Attack put a priority on that) that the Attack did not like, plus I don't know if the player really hit initially. The rumour was that both sides where seeking a divorce and happy for it to happen.

Last year was, in theory a 'go for it year'. You can argue they should not have done that, I can't say that your wrong, but the age of the roster almost required it, not much different then the Steelheads this year. So while Addy was in theory traded for two players who are 'now' players, they where always going to be back this year, and when they both have been on the ice are among the teams best players. If they do move them (I can see Smith for sure) and the rumour is they get an 08 and that they like more, perhaps a few picks, well, I view that as a win.

The Attack have a nice 07 group and so far, the 08s have been very good with Mbuyi one of the best rookies in the OHL so far. Added in the fact that you have had the two players for a full year and they have been great off ice additions to the team and leaders, I can see the vision with the trade. Move a player who asked to be moved and the organization had seemingly soured on, get a year with two very good, high quality players and then move them for an 08 first round pick, that seems smart asset management to me.

I haven't seen Nico this year outside of the Petes visit to the Bayshore a few months ago, he seems to be like a few other young players who have not taken a sept, but hopefully once the Petes get a bit of confidence and some wins, those players can get going a bit more.

 

[User13452]

Pace.

46 goals in 59 games (on pace for 53 over a full season) 2 years ago

40 goals in 50 games (on pace for 54 over a full season) last year

How’s his pace looking this year

 

[WillardJFredricks]

Okay...hopefully a full lineup tomorrow. First home win?? That would be great to see. I assume Smith will still be out for Owen Sound, which sucks as a fan, but should help the Petes a bit.

 

[NorthernVoice]

Okay...hopefully a full lineup tomorrow. First home win?? That would be great to see. I assume Smith will still be out for Owen Sound, which sucks as a fan, but should help the Petes a bit.

A lineup we haven't seen at home with Bryant in it as well as the return of perennial 60 goal scorer Colin Fitzgerald. Looking forward to it.

 

[User13452]

10 points in 10 games for Cadorin does anyone know exactly why he’s not playing here?

 

[NorthernVoice]

10 points in 10 games for Cadorin does anyone know exactly why he’s not playing here?

Best bet/speculation is philosophical differences* with Coach Wilson


*didn't appreciate repeatedly being healthy scratched so Marentette could dress as a forward in his place.

 

[dirty12]

Pace.

46 goals in 59 games (on pace for 53 over a full season) 2 years ago

40 goals in 50 games (on pace for 54 over a full season) last year

so 44 goals in 55 games seems right?