Peterborough Petes 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[Section5Petes]

Owen Beck has been reassigned to the Petes! Nice boost to this lineup!

https://x.com/canadiensmtl/status/1708225474013368764?s=46&t=_yv7I6Ea-z3AgkQ6V-Ak4Q

 

[Petes1987]

The Petes are not young but they do lack experience in the bottom part of their lineup.
I agree that people assume that the Petes need to sell - and with no 2nds, one 3rd and no 4ths in the next three drafts, I really can't blame them.
It would be awesome to see the Petes finish in the top half of the East and then sell.

I think we will do a small rebuild. We already have two, 3rd round draft picks. We have one we just received in the Simpson trade and another we got in the Guo trade at the trade deadline. We need to add three, 2nds, one maybe two, 3rds, a couple of 4ths and a 5th. If we were able to accomplish this we would mostly rebuild the draft pick cupboard. We should be able to mostly do this if trade Owen Beck at the deadline for a good 17 year old player plus two, 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th and Konnor Smith for an 17 or 18 year old defenceman plus a 2nd and a 3rd. We would only need to acquire a 4th and 5th. This would allow to keep our overages and Donovan McCoy and remain competitive. It is important to acquire at least a 2nd and 3rd in the upcoming draft to use to draft two good players as our 2008 born players are likely the age group we need to build around.

 

[dirty12]

I think we will do a small rebuild. We already have two, 3rd round draft picks. We have one we just received in the Simpson trade and another we got in the Guo trade at the trade deadline. We need to add three, 2nds, one maybe two, 3rds, a couple of 4ths and a 5th. If we were able to accomplish this we would mostly rebuild the draft pick cupboard. We should be able to mostly do this if trade Owen Beck at the deadline for a good 17 year old player plus two, 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th and Konnor Smith for an 17 or 18 year old defenceman plus a 2nd and a 3rd. We would only need to acquire a 4th and 5th. This would allow to keep our overages and Donovan McCoy and remain competitive. It is important to acquire at least a 2nd and 3rd in the upcoming draft to use to draft two good players as our 2008 born players are likely the age group we need to build around.

Does a (6th?) in the Hamilton deal not become 3rd after winning the conference?

 

[Section5Petes]

Does a (6th?) in the Hamilton deal not become 3rd after winning the conference?

Yes it does. It becomes the WSR 3rd in 2025. Draft pick database needs to be updated

 

[Petes1987]

Yes it does. It becomes the WSR 3rd in 2025. Draft pick database needs to be updated

You are correct. It is updated in the database now. So they will need three, 2nds, two, 3rds, three, 4ths to fulling restock their draft cupboard for the next three drafts. As of the 2027 draft they have all their draft picks going forward. That should be doable if they trade Owen Beck and Konnor Smith at the deadline this season and a couple of trades over the next few years.

 

[Petes]

With Owen Beck returning I don’t think it would be wise to split up Melee and Dubois. Maybe go with something like

McCue-Beck-Lockhart
Melee-Dubois-Purdeller
Faulkner-Lefebrve-McCallum
Cadorin-Partridge-Binnie

 

[Ryan Christensen]

Leek do you think he is going to get sent somewhere to play he had a good camp but it didn't translate in exhibition he was lost out there.

 

[frontsfan67]

Any rumblings on where Beck will get traded to?
I’d imagine they’d want to trade him at the start of the year here rather than the deadline because its more valuable for a full year rather than a half of a year

 

[Petes1987]

Any rumblings on where Beck will get traded to?
I’d imagine they’d want to trade him at the start of the year here rather than the deadline because its more valuable for a full year rather than a half of a year

I doubt the Petes are going to be trading Owen Beck anytime soon. For several reasons. First the Petes have not decided whether or not this year is a rebuilding year and likely want see what type of team they are going to have. There is a chance he will not be traded if they are in contention at Christmas. The second reason is that 16 year old players that are drafted in the 1st round cannot be traded until January 1st and they may want a player that was drafted in the 1st round in a deal for him. Third reason, Most high end players are traded closer to the deadline because there is more of a bidding war amongst contending teams at time than earlier in the season. I doubt the Petes will make any significant moves other than trading one of their four overages until December at the earliest. I do think he will be eventually traded for a large return including a player or two and multiple high draft picks.

 

[ptbopete]

I doubt the Petes are going to be trading Owen Beck anytime soon. For several reasons. First the Petes have not decided whether or not this year is a rebuilding year and likely want see what type of team they are going to have. There is a chance he will not be traded if they are in contention at Christmas. The second reason is that 16 year old players that are drafted in the 1st round cannot be traded until January 1st and they may want a player that was drafted in the 1st round in a deal for him. Third reason, Most high end players are traded closer to the deadline because there is more of a bidding war amongst contending teams at time than earlier in the season. I doubt the Petes will make any significant moves other than trading one of their four overages until December at the earliest. I do think he will be eventually traded for a large return including a player or two and multiple high draft picks.

I agree with this. Everything Wilson is saying now supports a wait-and-see approach. The way the team is playing right now is by-design, not by accident and the Oke and Wilson will likely wait before putting Beck or Smith up for sale. At this point only Saginaw knows for sure their fate this year (Mem Cup hosts) and the highly rated teams will want to wait a bit before loading up. North Bay was the exception last year when they quietly added some key pieces earlier than most teams.

 

[frontsfan67]

I doubt the Petes are going to be trading Owen Beck anytime soon. For several reasons. First the Petes have not decided whether or not this year is a rebuilding year and likely want see what type of team they are going to have. There is a chance he will not be traded if they are in contention at Christmas. The second reason is that 16 year old players that are drafted in the 1st round cannot be traded until January 1st and they may want a player that was drafted in the 1st round in a deal for him. Third reason, Most high end players are traded closer to the deadline because there is more of a bidding war amongst contending teams at time than earlier in the season. I doubt the Petes will make any significant moves other than trading one of their four overages until December at the earliest. I do think he will be eventually traded for a large return including a player or two and multiple high draft picks.

If you guys don’t rebuild this year it would be very foolish and the Pete’s are usually pretty good with that stuff. Beck will get atleast a first round player and 2 second round picks and 2 third round picks and that’s even underestimating it. He’s the 3rd biggest trade I see happening this season. First is divinctiis and second is Nelson. Those two will be gone for sure from north bay. Could even be in a package to a place like Saginaw or to kingston if they wanted to improve goaltending and defence. I don’t think kingstons goaltending needs improvement but im sure if divinctiis was made available the fronts would take a swing at that like how London took a swing at Simpson for Bowen to lessen the cost.

I agree with this. Everything Wilson is saying now supports a wait-and-see approach. The way the team is playing right now is by-design, not by accident and the Oke and Wilson will likely wait before putting Beck or Smith up for sale. At this point only Saginaw knows for sure their fate this year (Mem Cup hosts) and the highly rated teams will want to wait a bit before loading up. North Bay was the exception last year when they quietly added some key pieces earlier than most teams.

Definitely think it’ll be a month until you guys decide what’s happening however it’s inevitable you guys will be trading people Simpson was just the first move of many. I’d bet the life savings beck will be traded at some point. Not sure about the others but it’s so obvious about beck. You guys went all in last year almost as bad as sarnia. If you didn’t trade him they would be almost as stupid as if kingston kept wright rather than trading him for miedema etc

 

[armchaircoaches]

If you guys don’t rebuild this year it would be very foolish and the Pete’s are usually pretty good with that stuff. Beck will get atleast a first round player and 2 second round picks and 2 third round picks and that’s even underestimating it. He’s the 3rd biggest trade I see happening this season. First is divinctiis and second is Nelson. Those two will be gone for sure from north bay. Could even be in a package to a place like Saginaw or to kingston if they wanted to improve goaltending and defence. I don’t think kingstons goaltending needs improvement but im sure if divinctiis was made available the fronts would take a swing at that like how London took a swing at Simpson for Bowen to lessen the cost.


Definitely think it’ll be a month until you guys decide what’s happening however it’s inevitable you guys will be trading people Simpson was just the first move of many. I’d bet the life savings beck will be traded at some point. Not sure about the others but it’s so obvious about beck. You guys went all in last year almost as bad as sarnia. If you didn’t trade him they would be almost as stupid as if kingston kept wright rather than trading him for miedema etc

Just worry about your own team u have enough issues there

 

[Petes1987]

Leek do you think he is going to get sent somewhere to play he had a good camp but it didn't translate in exhibition he was lost out there.

If you guys don’t rebuild this year it would be very foolish and the Pete’s are usually pretty good with that stuff. Beck will get atleast a first round player and 2 second round picks and 2 third round picks and that’s even underestimating it. He’s the 3rd biggest trade I see happening this season. First is divinctiis and second is Nelson. Those two will be gone for sure from north bay. Could even be in a package to a place like Saginaw or to kingston if they wanted to improve goaltending and defence. I don’t think kingstons goaltending needs improvement but im sure if divinctiis was made available the fronts would take a swing at that like how London took a swing at Simpson for Bowen to lessen the cost.


Definitely think it’ll be a month until you guys decide what’s happening however it’s inevitable you guys will be trading people Simpson was just the first move of many. I’d bet the life savings beck will be traded at some point. Not sure about the others but it’s so obvious about beck. You guys went all in last year almost as bad as sarnia. If you didn’t trade him they would be almost as stupid as if kingston kept wright rather than trading him for miedema etc

I think almost all of us Petes fans know that Owen Beck will be traded but it will be at the deadline when you can get the most return. However if a team made an offer that the Petes cannot pass up they may trade him sooner. The Petes management has indicated that they want a team that can compete every year so a rebuild would be done to make the team younger, rebuild the draft pick cupboard and remain competitive. By trading Beck and maybe Konnor Smith they Petes could get two young players, at least three, 2nd round picks, two or three, 3rd round picks and maybe a 4th by trading both. These trades would accomplish the first two priorities and by keeping Lockhart, Dubois, Mayer and their other veteran players remain competitive this year and going forward. This is what Oshawa did a few years back.

 

[NorthernVoice]

I doubt the Petes are going to be trading Owen Beck anytime soon. For several reasons. First the Petes have not decided whether or not this year is a rebuilding year and likely want see what type of team they are going to have. There is a chance he will not be traded if they are in contention at Christmas. The second reason is that 16 year old players that are drafted in the 1st round cannot be traded until January 1st and they may want a player that was drafted in the 1st round in a deal for him.

This is the big one. The Petes have already traded away their high end 05 and 06 guys (Lardis/Van Volsen). Cameron looks like a legit building block so you can build around 07s but you can't get another one until the deadline. You can push it further to the 08 or 09 birth years by acquiring a million picks but because you have Owen Beck, you can probably get another quality 07 plus picks that help for 08/09 birth year. If you trade him now you can't.

Or, you know, just go win the East again, just for fun.

 

[NorthernVoice]

I mean, taking it a step farther, these are the 05/06 born guys on the roster:

06 - Partridge
05 - McCue
05 - Page
05 - Leek
05 - Faulkner
06 - McCallum

06 - Woulds
05 - Velliaris

05 - Bowen
06 - Rye

All respect to what it takes just to make the OHL, the only possible "core" long term guys there at present are McCue, McCallum and one/both of the goalies.

The more I look at it, they may just as well stay competitive this year because the real pain may be next year regardless. Like contrast that 05 group against the 04 born guys:

04 - Beck
04 - Smith
04 - McCoy
04 - Melee
04 - Lefebvre
04 - Purdeller
04 - Sztuska

And you're not trading for 05/06 guys at this point, it's 07 and beyond (draft picks).

 

[frontsfan67]

Just worry about your own team u have enough issues there

All I’ve heard from Pete’s fans is how they’re going to see where they are and can’t see this player getting traded can’t see that one being traded so I’m just putting out the facts that there will be trades regardless if fans like it or not. It’s a part of the business.

 

[Bra Wavers]

Let's be honest.......if you are Mike Oke and Rob Wilson you need to "say the right thing" publicly. If they had come out in the pre-season saying the Petes are going full rebuild then that causes some real problems for the organization.

1) Oke's leverage in making deals would be significantly reduced. "Hey, we have to trade these guys for our rebuild, please give us something".
2) The veterans would be totally unfocused at the Petes' camp - looking over their shoulder wondering if they would be traded or they would be stuck in Peterborough for a LONG season.
3) Oke and Wilson would be sending a message to the rookies (and any players remaining) that the expectation level is low for this season.
4) The public would be out of control talking about trade rumours, causing more distractions for the players.

Oke and Wilson are a good team together - they have created a team foundation that focuses on hard work, sacrificing for the team, a positive attitude, strong character, a high compete level and high expectations. This is how you build a strong organization that rarely misses the playoffs. This is how you create a destination that players want to come to.

In conclusion the Petes will keep these strong OAs and Beck until the TDL and their value will increase between now and then. In Oke we trust! In the meantime, Wilson and the coaching staff will grow the culture described above for the young players and see how far this team can go in the first half.

 

[dirty12]

All I’ve heard from Pete’s fans is how they’re going to see where they are and can’t see this player getting traded can’t see that one being traded so I’m just putting out the facts that there will be trades regardless if fans like it or not. It’s a part of the business.

It appears one of Brantford, Kingston, Ottawa will have to make two additions to keep the Petes from first in the east, if the Petes keep their roster in tact.
I think we can expect one of the goalies to be dealt. And unless the Petes are willing to effectively let Gauvreau go free, Mayer will be dealt for a nice return.
I don’t think the Petes will be able to resist offers for their players at the dead line, but all the Petes really need to do is fill missing early 2024 picks.

The Battalion might be sellers if the first half of the season goes awry. I think that Zito will play somewhere (Brantford, Ottawa?) that can possibly be a good team and will offer a minimum of top 2 centre TOI; so, NB will effectively have more than a full compliment of picks. The Battalion have 8-2006 and 5-2005 born on the roster, they do not need to sell (this season).

 

[frontsfan67]

It appears one of Brantford, Kingston, Ottawa will have to make two additions to keep the Petes from first in the east, if the Petes keep their roster in tact.
I think we can expect one of the goalies to be dealt. And unless the Petes are willing to effectively let Gauvreau go free, Mayer will be dealt for a nice return.
I don’t think the Petes will be able to resist offers for their players at the dead line, but all the Petes really need to do is fill missing early 2024 picks.

The Battalion might be sellers if the first half of the season goes awry. I think that Zito will play somewhere (Brantford, Ottawa?) that can possibly be a good team and will offer a minimum of top 2 centre TOI; so, NB will effectively have more than a full compliment of picks. The Battalion have 8-2006 and 5-2005 born on the roster, they do not need to sell (this season).

Kingston was missing Ludwinski, Burns and Frasca for the game against Peterborough and the 2 against Oshawa. I think once everyone is back kingston is better.

 

[dirty12]

Kingston was missing Ludwinski, Burns and Frasca for the game against Peterborough and the 2 against Oshawa. I think once everyone is back kingston is better.

Counter that with O.Beck & K.Smith.
If the Fronts want the division, they’re adding a centre for the top six and a 3-4 D.

 

[Petes1987]

Counter that with O.Beck & K.Smith.
If the Fronts want the division, they’re adding a centre for the top six and a 3-4 D.

Not to mention the Petes were only playing with 16 skaters including only five defencemen. I also think Peterborough has the better coach. Rob Wilson is a far better coach than Caputi is.

 

[Petes]

I think people on here need to pump the breaks a little bit. It’s been 2 games. Is it a good start? Absolutely.

This team is still without a doubt going to be retooling throughout the season…

The only question is… is it going to be a Hamilton retool on the fly or is it going to be a bottom out lottery pick type of rebuild? Only time will tell but it certainly would be nice if they can keep things competitive as long as possible.

 

[OHL4Life]

I think people on here need to pump the breaks a little bit. It’s been 2 games. Is it a good start? Absolutely.

This team is still without a doubt going to be retooling throughout the season…

The only question is… is it going to be a Hamilton retool on the fly or is it going to be a bottom out lottery pick type of rebuild? Only time will tell but it certainly would be nice if they can keep things competitive as long as possible.

its really just the one guy, isnt it?

 

[Section5Petes]

I think people on here need to pump the breaks a little bit. It’s been 2 games. Is it a good start? Absolutely.

This team is still without a doubt going to be retooling throughout the season…

The only question is… is it going to be a Hamilton retool on the fly or is it going to be a bottom out lottery pick type of rebuild? Only time will tell but it certainly would be nice if they can keep things competitive as long as possible.

I think it will be a Hamilton retool on the fly. Dave Lorentz has made it very clear he wants to be competitive every year and not necessarily winning it all and I think the on the fly achieves that.

Any logical person should be able to come to the conclusion that this Petes team will be retooling. They simply have to considering the roster age and what is left in the draft pick cupboard. There is no doubt in my mind that Oke and management will make the right decision in roster and organizational assessment.

The goal in the first half is simple. Win as many games as possible and give some of our younger players as much exposure to the league and experience as possible. When the trade deadline comes, some veterans will be shipped out and some new young pieces and picks will come back to the Petes, hoping to build off the first half and continue to learn to fail and succeed in this league.

 

[I Loveallsports]

I think people on here need to pump the breaks a little bit. It’s been 2 games. Is it a good start? Absolutely.

This team is still without a doubt going to be retooling throughout the season…

The only question is… is it going to be a Hamilton retool on the fly or is it going to be a bottom out lottery pick type of rebuild? Only time will tell but it certainly would be nice if they can keep things competitive as long as possible.

Now this is a smart well thought out post