And how many of these individuals have far better line mates, ice-time and PP time then Kadri? Kid can be much higher in the list if he's given the chance.
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And how many of these individuals have far better line mates, ice-time and PP time then Kadri? Kid can be much higher in the list if he's given the chance.
Exactly!! Everyone complains about trading our prospects and not letting them flourish here. Here we have a young player who is growing into the center position and without giving him a real opportunity on the first line, people are proposing trading him for a #1 C....HELLO HE COULD BE A #1 C!! A #1 we drafted and developed, wow what a concept.
I am by no means one those people who want to trade him. But from what I have heard, many don't have a problem with his skill as much as they do his attitude. His swagger (or as many like to call it, cockiness) is a turn off to many, in a league with humble origins where the stars are meant to embody that principle. Even Grapes who has been a firm believer in him as spoken out.
Since when does kadri have attitude problems?
Its called confidence.
Lets just turn him into someone who thinks that his own skiils suck
There is a pretty thin line between confidence and arrogance. I'm not saying I agree but I would submit the professionals (such as Cherry's commentary) would know a little more about the guy's personality than the general fan.
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Sock puppet pushing a pro-Bozak agenda. Probably a crazy fan but increasingly I wonder if a PR firm is astroturfing on this board
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It sounds like some people believe Toews doesn't have any confidence. Or the Sedins, or Malkin, or Steen, or Backstrom, or ... many other top end players who play the game.
Anyway, I don't give two hoots about the Kadri fans, I'm a Leafs' fan. If you can move anyone on the Leafs and make the team better, I'm all for it. Don't pin your appreciation of a team on a player unless you really aren't a fan of the team. (That player WILL move on eventually, and unless you're the Jets the team won't)
Team >>> Player
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Maybe not this year, but next season, if Holland shows he can be a good top 9 player and if we can sign Bolland. Kadri can be swapped for a defenceman. If Kadri gets close to a PPG this season how about Kadri for Oliver Ekman-Larsson? Probably not enough, but Leafs most glaring need is a top defenceman to go along with Phaneuf.
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OEL is the guy I wanted at the Leafs position that draft. There were too many people here to count that wanted Schenn. I think Burke was really interested in Schenn as well based on his demeanor at the draft.
I'm not sure but EOL might be considered a #1 defender today at 22.
Anyway, I've liked the game so far of Holland. Skates quite well for a 6'2" forward has decent hands.
Not sure he's 1st. line material, but looks like potential top 6.
He does have only 1 points on the goal Kulemin sprung him on so no one is getting ahead of ourselves here.
Bolland is going to want a raise, so it would be great if Holland stole his job while he was injured. Bolland could look for a raise elsewhere, and Leafs could look at overpaying for a defender in the off-season
. Let's hope the Leafs don't have to go to market for a defender this year, eventually drafting should be the prime source of assets.
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OEL is the guy I wanted at the Leafs position that draft. There were too many people here to count that wanted Schenn. I think Burke was really interested in Schenn as well based on his demeanor at the draft.
I'm not sure but EOL might be considered a #1 defender today at 22.
Anyway, I've liked the game so far of Holland. Skates quite well for a 6'2" forward has decent hands.
Not sure he's 1st. line material, but looks like potential top 6.
He does have only 1 points on the goal Kulemin sprung him on so no one is getting ahead of ourselves here.
Bolland is going to want a raise, so it would be great if Holland stole his job while he was injured. Bolland could look for a raise elsewhere, and Leafs could look at overpaying for a defender in the off-season
I'm willing to give Bolland 4.2 max next contract. Same as Bozak, same value to our team. This would be consistent to an all around #2C with 50-55 Point potential. With Leafs strong winger depth, this would keep us being competitive for years. Holland is the unknown, have liked what I have seen from him, tonight's game will be a good test, it can showcase his value if he can handle Laich, Backstrom, or Grabvoski.
imo 4.2 is a massive overpayment for a guy like Bolland. He was pretty bad last season. This season he started good but now he's injured. He seems to get injured a lot. If he's back soon and is strong the rest of the season then they can think about paying him a lot. But that's a lot of money to give him. I would not give him the same as Bozo who is overpaid himself.
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Kadri for Oliver Ekman-Larsson is very highly unlikely going happen from a Phoenix perspective. IMO
OEL is one the best young Dmen in the game. I doubt Coyotes have any interest in moving him.
Peter Holland making Kadri expendable would make the Holland trade quite a steal for Nonis.
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Are you suggesting that other players getting stepped on wouldn't also be injured?
I hear this kind of argument a lot about players on other teams, but isn't Kadri one of the best young Centermen in the game? Shouldn't we doubt that the Leafs have any interest in moving him?
Stamkos, duchene, Tavares, couture, ect.. Are among the best young centers in the game. Kadri is a tier or two below these guys. I still wouldn't want to move him though
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Let's give Kadri some time before we start voting him top 7th. center in the league.
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OEL was just an example of the deal Nonis would only be interested in making, players from the same draft class or close. Bogo from 2008 could also be a guy we'd be interested in. It's similar to the Schenn for JVR deal. 2 high picks of similar age moving.
Leafs have had good luck with Anaheim deals, Holland's real work starts tonight. Tougher match ups than NY Isles, BUFF, or NASH. I'd like to see what the kid has against Backstrom.
OEL is the guy I wanted at the Leafs position that draft. There were too many people here to count that wanted Schenn. I think Burke was really interested in Schenn as well based on his demeanor at the draft.
I'm not sure but EOL might be considered a #1 defender today at 22.
Anyway, I've liked the game so far of Holland. Skates quite well for a 6'2" forward has decent hands.
Not sure he's 1st. line material, but looks like potential top 6.
He does have only 1 points on the goal Kulemin sprung him on so no one is getting ahead of ourselves here.
Bolland is going to want a raise, so it would be great if Holland stole his job while he was injured. Bolland could look for a raise elsewhere, and Leafs could look at overpaying for a defender in the off-season
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I follow you now. Kardi for a young #1 C or #1 Dman.
Holland has potential but I don't think he is as talented offensively as Kadri, but has the size and puck possession, cycle game abilities that Nazem doesn't.
The Holland deal would be a home run if it did allow Nonis to parlay Kadri into another top young asset filling another hole in trade based on Holland's development.
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