Per TSN, Prime Malkin or Prime Draisaitl

[BigDaddyLurch]

Peak Malkin > Peak Draisaitl
Career Draisaitl > Career Malkin

 

[Dr Pepper]

May I ask what "Per TSN" refers to here, other than attempt to get more people to open the thread?

Probably some scribbled topic they wanted to kill some time discussing, on either the radio show or TV broadcast. Just a hunch.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Drai has had more points in a season
Drai will have 2 years of more points than Malkin's peak after this year
Drai has had more goals in a season (Malkin has 1 50 goal year Drai will have 4+ after this year)

Is all of that undone with the Smythe? The one where Malkin got 36 points in 24 games, Drai has a 2ppg playoff year where he had 32 points in 16 games

And the 3 Cups.

Prime Malkin was an absolute beast. Dude is the closest thing to Forsberg since Forsberg retired.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

And the 3 Cups.

Prime Malkin was an absolute beast. Dude is the closest thing to Forsberg since Forsberg retired.

It also ignores scoring environments. Malkin scoring 109 points in an era when the next guy doesn't even crack 100 points isn't inferior to someone scoring 120 points in an era where just last season there were three guys who scored 130+ points and this season there's probably going to be 3 or 4 guys hovering around 120 points.

So anyone just looking at stats without context isn't making a fair comparison.

 

[NVious]

Scoring environments were much different at their respective peaks. You don’t even need to crunch the numbers for this one either, the eye test should be enough.

Excuses.

And the 3 Cups.

Prime Malkin was an absolute beast. Dude is the closest thing to Forsberg since Forsberg retired.

Damn he equaled Pat Maroon, good for him!

 

[SomeDude]

Excuses.

This is like saying everyone was poorer 50 years ago because average wages were less and inflation is just an excuse.

External factors matter. You don’t get to write them off just because it hurts your argument and ideas.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Malkin, no contest.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Geno is score, so him

 

[Duke74]

There have already been numerous threads on this topic.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Scoring environments were much different at their respective peaks. You don’t even need to crunch the numbers for this one either, the eye test should be enough.

He likely has not seen Malkin in his prime

 

[Idiot Stick]

ill take mr playoffs here

 

[NVious]

This is like saying everyone was poorer 50 years ago because average wages were less and inflation is just an excuse.

External factors matter. You don’t get to write them off just because it hurts your argument and ideas.

(Except when it comes to Drai winning the cup or counting Malkin's cups in his favor)

 

[tfwnogf]

Draisaitl and no, it isn't close.

 

[NVious]

He likely has not seen Malkin in his prime

OR I just think Drai is better.

 

[olli]

This is simply not true

Malkin obviously....

Did what he did without spending ~half of his total ice time with Crosby like Draisaitl does with McDavid.

this is simply not true, take a look at Draisaitl’s most common linemates this season. Please stop spreading this false narrative.

 

[SomeDude]

(Except when it comes to Drai winning the cup or counting Malkin's cups in his favor)

I’m referring to you claiming it’s an “excuse” that people are adding context to your blanket comparison of stats from different times in the league.

Where did I mention anything about Cups?

 

[vancityluongo]

lots of people talking about peak (2009 playoffs) malkin, and i agree, that run might have been the amongst the most dominant i've ever seen from a player in my lifetime.

but if we define "prime" as the run of the best 5 or so consecutive seasons, it kind of has to be draisaitl. whether due to injuries or inconsistency, malkin just didn't put up season over season results like drai has for the last 7 years now.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

This is simply not true

this is simply not true, take a look at Draisaitl’s most common linemates this season. Please stop spreading this false narrative.

What, where's the lie?

Career Time on Ice w/ Connor McDavid
7512 TOI
Career Time on Ice w/o Connor McDavid
6959 TOI

(sum the numbers yourself with Natural Stat Trick if you don't think they're accurate)

24-25 All Strengths Ice time
TOI w/ McDavid
676:25
TOI w/ou McDavid
644:57


Yeah if you focus on JUST 5v5 and JUST this year, it's 400 minutes with him and 620 mnutes without. Yet still, McDavid is the 2nd most common forward linemate by icetime with him @ 5v5 this year.

He has and will spend more time on the ice with Connor McDavid than he does not for his career as long as he remains in EDM. It's a simple fact.

Malkin never didn't come remotely close to spending that kind of ice time with Crosby in his career.

 

[Video Nasty]

Malkin. I know a lot around here weren't old enough to watch him but he was an absolute beast at his peak. Especially during the lower scoring era and not this mini 80s offensive hockey we have going now.

Plenty around here have watched Lemieux, so dismissing people taking Draisaitl over Malkin as ignorance due to age is weak.

Sometimes you have to go with the player who is perhaps a smidgen not as good, but monstrously more healthy, reliable, and consistent.

If anything, the younger hockey fans who got into it post lockout, had posters of Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin on their walls, and are now older and jaded towards the current generation and beyond are the biased ones.

I think when the dust settles on his career, Draisaitl will be ranked significantly higher than Malkin, who could have been the best of the Big Three, but was simply too inconsistent and too injured to ever make that kind of headway.

Malkin’s prime was blink and miss it. You can’t fault people for preferring a lengthy one.

 

[Beninnola]

I feel the correct answer today is Malkin but the body of work being put together by drai puts him on a trajectory to have a chance at being the correct answer.

 

[LuckyBoeser]

prime Malkin ainec

 

[Bear of Bad News]

An active discussion about who wasn't around to see Malkin at his peak makes me feel old.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Malkin on vibes/aura/whatever you want to call it alone

(Also better player in his prime)

 

[HFpapi]

Malkin is still the better player straight up. On Malkins best day he is more dominant than Draisaitl, hell he might've been more dominant than Crosby,

Draisaitl is quickly catching up to and surpassing Malkin in terms of career though, I don't see how you don't have Draitsaitl rated higher all time after this year.

 

[Foppberg]

Plenty around here have watched Lemieux, so dismissing people taking Draisaitl over Malkin as ignorance due to age is weak.

Sometimes you have to go with the player who is perhaps a smidgen not as good, but monstrously more healthy, reliable, and consistent.

If anything, the younger hockey fans who got into it post lockout, had posters of Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin on their walls, and are now older and jaded towards the current generation and beyond are the biased ones.

I think when the dust settles on his career, Draisaitl will be ranked significantly higher than Malkin, who could have been the best of the Big Three, but was simply too inconsistent and too injured to ever make that kind of headway.

When the question is who is the better player, you go with the better player, which we agree is Malkin.

I fully expect Drai to have superior career numbers due to his consistency and health, but that doesn't make him a better player. A more reliable one sure, but not better.