Whenever Oilers players underperform their fans make up an injury.
Per TSN, Prime Malkin or Prime Draisaitl
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Duke74
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You think people "make up" an injury? It was widely reported that he had multiple injuries, including broken ribs and a broken hand. Too bad it doesn't suit your narrative.
Duke74
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Do you have a crystal ball? How do you know that Draisaitl will never win a cup?
The cup is a TEAM award. It's not his fault that management has handicapped him and McDavid thus far into their careers.
"AINEC" just shows your complete and utter ignorance. So does calling someone an "ultimate loser." It's not Draisaitl that's a loser. It's the person making that declaration.
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Hm, it's getting pretty close. Malkin's legacy is already written, I think we can conclude (i.e., if he retired last year or if he retires in three years, nothing changes), whereas Draisaitl is still in flux, so it's hard to be sure.
As far as Drai's career legacy goes, it would probably push his case a lot if he could win not only the Rocket but the Art Ross and/or Hart this season. (At this point, it's possible.) Winning all three of those in one season is pretty unique, and something Malkin never did. We'll see what happens.
I feel like in these comparisons, when one guy is older and basically done (Malkin), it always feels like the "burden of proof" is on the challenger who is still active (Draisaitl). So, it's always better to wait until both careers are done.
Really, the only thing Malkin has over Draisaitl right now is a Conn Smythe trophy, but that's negated by Draisaitl's being one of the most consistent and best playoff performers since 2017. However, Malkin has shown up in a couple of Cup Finals in a big way, whereas Leon was hurt vs. Vancouver and ineffective afterwards last spring. (Before Malkin-boosters judge Leon for his ineffective Cup Finals last spring, go back and check Malkin's first Cup Final in 2008 -- in the first four games, he had 0 goals, 0 assists, and was -3. Why? Because he had the Flu. It happens.)
Check back after this season, but more importantly, check back when Draisaitl is near retirement.
As far as Drai's career legacy goes, it would probably push his case a lot if he could win not only the Rocket but the Art Ross and/or Hart this season. (At this point, it's possible.) Winning all three of those in one season is pretty unique, and something Malkin never did. We'll see what happens.
I feel like in these comparisons, when one guy is older and basically done (Malkin), it always feels like the "burden of proof" is on the challenger who is still active (Draisaitl). So, it's always better to wait until both careers are done.
Really, the only thing Malkin has over Draisaitl right now is a Conn Smythe trophy, but that's negated by Draisaitl's being one of the most consistent and best playoff performers since 2017. However, Malkin has shown up in a couple of Cup Finals in a big way, whereas Leon was hurt vs. Vancouver and ineffective afterwards last spring. (Before Malkin-boosters judge Leon for his ineffective Cup Finals last spring, go back and check Malkin's first Cup Final in 2008 -- in the first four games, he had 0 goals, 0 assists, and was -3. Why? Because he had the Flu. It happens.)
Check back after this season, but more importantly, check back when Draisaitl is near retirement.
Malkin sustained it for the whole season. He also looked more dominant than Crosby by the eye test but that’s just my opinion. Not trying to take anything away, but Crosby was getting a lot of lucky bounces combined with his teammates finishing chances at an unusually high rate. The variance in goals and assists between 2011 & 2013 shows backs this up. That year Malkin tore up the league without Crosby on the PP & without sharing icetime with him.
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Drai is not even in the building of prime Malkin. Tougher era, played bigger when it mattered most.
The rhetoric sounds awfully familiar to the injury excuses for why Crosby lost out in 2015…not that I don’t believe you
Crosby lost out in 2015 because he actually missed games. Not some nebulous excuse for a lull on production like McDavid had the flu for a whole month (lol) which mysteriously coincided with Hitchcock taking over as coach and actually trying to get 97 to play a responsible game defensively.
Crosby had 33 points in the last 36 games of 2015… is missing five games really that detrimental to beating Jamie Benn?. Just needed to go PPG in the last 36 games to tie for the Art Ross. He Definitely wasn’t resting for the playoffs, because that can’t explain the first round exit.
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Great. He was never better than Malkin, hurt or not. My response was to the guy that somehow claimed Malkin would have never won a Conn Smythe in Edmonton. And that’s just the most nonsense claim ever.
Malkin was at a 1.40 PPG without Crosby that season and 1.59 with Crosby in the lineup.
Malkin played with James Neal and Kunitz; Crosby was playing with Kunitz and Pascal Dupuis.
Of course Malkin's season is greater due to him not missing time but it doesn't mean he was playing at a higher level than Crosby was in 10/11.
Crosby had upped his goalscoring for the last 60 games the previous season so it wasn't that unusual that he was setting a blazing pace that year. As we saw after 10/11, Crosby was just as good through 36 games in 12/13 but it was him making Kunitz into a Top 3 goalscorer. How many lucky bounces can one player get?
If you want a bigger sample size, here is a completely cherrypicked stretch over five seasons from him shaking off his Cup hangover in the 09/10 season to 14/15 when he had a viral infection:
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The gap between him and the next best PPG (ironically Malkin) is greater than the gap between Malkin and Giroux/Stamkos in 11/12.
It is generally accepted that peak Malkin was similar to peak Crosby but Crosby was much better at playing close to his peak throughout his prime. Malkin was less consistent, somewhat due to injuries.
Of course this doesn't change anything about the OP, peak Malkin > peak Draisaitl.
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When Malkin would go game-breaker mode circa '09-'12, he took over games like only 66 and 99 did.
If it's game 7 of the SCF and you have access to Prime Malkin or Prime Draisatl, the answer is pretty clear. No coincidence it's the guy who has 3 rings.
2009 for sure. 2017 Malkin wasn't as dominant so it's hard to say. But it can easily be said that Malkin is clearly more proven as a individual player rather than one who's performance was influenced by a generational teammate.
Draisaitl has yet to show he can be a dominant line driver in the playoffs. He was split up from McDavid in the WCF and SCF last year and didn't produce but I guess he was injured. At best, he generally has been neither a positive or negative at ES on his own line in the playoffs.
He has been better this year in that regard so let's see what the playoffs bring.
IMO, Malkin did enough as a player, unlike someone like Lindros, where you can choose him over Drai because he was simply the better hockey player.
Malkin was a Top 30ish talent all-time; Draisatl is more Top 50ish.
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Pens fan saying Drai. 3 50 goal years, 7 100 point seasons, better in the playoffs. And most importantly he has stayed much more healthier.
Who I would take? Malkin.
Who at the end of their careers will have had the stronger prime? I think Draisaitl may top him. Injuries held Malkin back a lot.
Who at the end of their careers will have had the stronger prime? I think Draisaitl may top him. Injuries held Malkin back a lot.
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