Toggle sidebar

People who think Nathan Mackinnon is the best player in the world, can we all just be kind of agree that… he’s not?

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Cap'n Flavour said:
Yep. I've seen enough. Take his Cup and medals away.
Click to expand...
The gift box too. Make it sting.
hi0KH0I.png
 
  • Like
  • Love
  • Wow
Reactions: MrWhiffles, Fatass, Spirits and 7 others
edog37 said:
That’s because it’s a big game. He’s not a money player, which is why he’s nowhere near one of the all-time greats.


McOverrated is supposed to elevate guys upward. Crosby made Kunitz & Dupuis into far better players on their way to a couple of Cups.
Click to expand...

lmao.

This was stupid to begin with... but now...
 
  • Like
Reactions: jigglysquishy, ForecheckBackcheck and TheStatican
Freaky Styley said:
I know it's always Mack vs. McDavid but Makar is the only one to truly put it in debate. Thought he was the best player tonight in a star-studded game. Cream rises to the top.
Click to expand...

Meanwhile, Toews was probably the worst player on the ice for both teams.
 
  • Like
  • Sad
  • Angry
Reactions: Ceremony, Dominance, TheStatican and 1 other person
logan5 said:
Because I agree that Mac is not the best player in the world. You probly have no problem calling Makar the McDavid of defencemen. Well, Quinn Hughes is much better than Makar right now. Hughes is simply the best player in the world. Hughes prevents a large amount of goals because he is elite in the d zone, plus he scores at a 100 point pace.
Click to expand...
Wait a second. You think Hughes (an absolutely fantastic player and top 3 dman in the world) is better then McDavid?

I’ve watching Mackinnon play since Canada Games in Halifax when he was 15. Knew hed be number 1 overall from that moment. Massive fan.

McDavid is the best player in the world. He’s just different than anything I’ve ever seen. I hate the Oilers and have never cheered for McDavid exceot WJC and this tournament.

You can see the greatness though.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bluenotes27
JackSlater said:
MacKinnon is great, but I think it would be a very minority opinion that he is the best player in the world. Even in an article on The Athletic today they reference MacKinnon casually calling McDavid the best player in the world and saying "it's obvious" as to why.
Click to expand...
Sure, I'm fine with the claim that Mcdavid is still the best player in the world, but the gap between him and the next best player in the world(MacKinnon) is nowhere near as much some on here seem to be suggesting. In fact it's quite small, substantially smaller then the gap between say; Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux and the next best player in the world during each of their respective peaks.

Anyways, the MVP trophy is a nice notch on MacKinnon’s belt, we wouldn't have won this without him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Spirits
TheStatican said:
Sure, I'm fine with the claim that Mcdavid is still the best player in the world, but the gap between him and the next best player in the world(MacKinnon) is nowhere near as much some on here seem to be suggesting. In fact it's quite small, substantially smaller then the gap between say; Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux and the next best player in the world during each of their respective peaks.

Anyways, the MVP thropy is a nice notch on MacKinnon’s belt, we wouldn't have won this without him.
Click to expand...
I think this tourny showed no matter who you are. When facing the absolute best players every game. The gap is not as big as we think.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perfect_Drug, Fatass, shaner82 and 3 others
TheStatican said:
Sure, I'm fine with the claim that Mcdavid is still the best player in the world, but the gap between him and the next best player in the world(MacKinnon) is nowhere near as much some on here seem to be suggesting. In fact it's quite small, substantially smaller then the gap between say; Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux and the next best player in the world during each of their respective peaks.

Anyways, the MVP trophy is a nice notch on MacKinnon’s belt, we wouldn't have won this without him.
Click to expand...
Ok? McDavid isn't Gretzky, Lemieux, or Orr. MacKinnon is a great player of historical significance. Not being the best player in the world, and he re-iterated in his post game press conference tonight that McDavid is the best player in the world, is not something to be ashamed of.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jigglysquishy and 1989
McDavid is still the clearcut best in the game for me and I won't waiver on that. But the reason I could never stand all the Gretzky/Lemieux comparisons is that the gap between McDavid and MacKinnon/Kucherov is not that big. That said, McDavid is a clear tier above, IMO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jokesondee and TheStatican
JackSlater said:
Ok? McDavid isn't Gretzky, Lemieux, or Orr. MacKinnon is a great player of historical significance. Not being the best player in the world, and he re-iterated in his post game press conference tonight that McDavid is the best player in the world, is not something to be ashamed of.
Click to expand...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you've previously categorized him as already being in the same tier as those three (along with Howe). Or am I mistaken?

In any case, my point was more about the current gap between them. As you said, there's nothing to be "ashamed of" in being the second-best player in the world - or at least having a very strong case for it - rather than the best. The real question is: how big is that gap right now?

Based on this tournament and the past two seasons, I’d argue it’s quite small and McDavid is still in his peak right now. That’s something we should keep in mind when the time comes to evaluate Conner’s historical standing.
 
TheStatican said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you've previously categorized him as already being in the same tier as those three (along with Howe). Or am I mistaken?

In any case, my point was more about the current gap between them. As you said, there's nothing to be "ashamed of" in being the second-best player in the world - or at least having a very strong case for it - rather than the best. The real question is: how big is that gap right now?

Based on this tournament and the past two seasons, I’d argue it’s quite small and McDavid is still in his peak right now. That’s something we should keep in mind when the time comes to evaluate Conner’s historical standing.
Click to expand...

Prime/peak McDavid to Mac/Kucherov/Matthews/Draisaitl feels like Howe to Beliveau/Hull/Mikita/Richard, at the offensive level. A clear tier above but not so far ahead that these guys don't have things on their regular season/playoff resumes that are within spitting distance of their peaks.

Draisaitl could be Lindsay in this comparison.

The question is where do you place MacKinnon and Kucherov all-time? I think MacKinnon has definitively entered the Sakic/Yzerman/Trottier tier with potential to surpass them. Is he at the Beliveau/Hull/Mikita/Richard level?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perfect_Drug
Fatass said:
McKinnon led his club to the Cup. That’s why I tier him above McDavid. If McDavid leads a club to a Cup then he moves into the higher tier.
These great players are separated by minutiae. But ask them about how they value the Cup. To them that’s the key to their legacy.,
Click to expand...
It’s like ppl don’t know hockey. MacKinnon wasn’t even the best player on his team that year. makar was. Without him they don’t likely win it. Makar was the game changer combined with insane depth that cup run. It is after all a team sport.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PuckG
TheStatican said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you've previously categorized him as already being in the same tier as those three (along with Howe). Or am I mistaken?

In any case, my point was more about the current gap between them. As you said, there's nothing to be "ashamed of" in being the second-best player in the world - or at least having a very strong case for it - rather than the best. The real question is: how big is that gap right now?

Based on this tournament and the past two seasons, I’d argue it’s quite small and McDavid is still in his peak right now. That’s something we should keep in mind when the time comes to evaluate Conner’s historical standing.
Click to expand...
I have never considered McDavid on the big four level. He's the step below that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jigglysquishy and TheStatican
KCC said:
It’s like ppl don’t know hockey. MacKinnon wasn’t even the best player on his team that year. makar was. Without him they don’t likely win it. Makar was the game changer combined with insane depth that cup run. It is after all a team sport.
Click to expand...
Cups cement the legacy of the greatest. McKinnon was key in a Cup win. He is slightly ahead of McDavid.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: jigglysquishy
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom