People who think Nathan Mackinnon is the best player in the world, can we all just be kind of agree that… he’s not?
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We won't see Hughes Thursday unless there is an injury to one of Team USA's defenseman.....Hughes is otherwise ineligible. He can't simply replace a guy in the lineup who is a healthy scratch. Any player they pull out would need to be injured....I'm sure there are shady ways around that though.
On your other point....you seem to be suggesting the best player in the world must be a dman because forwards can be shut down? How does that even make sense? Not suggesting the best player needs to be F, D or G....but just trying to figure out your logic. Can't defenseman be shut down as well?
NyQuil
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Well, it's a lot harder to do because the defending forwards have their assignments on an incoming rush and the puck-rushing D doesn't have a dedicated marking player.
I can sort of see where people are coming from when they say Makar is the best in the world, but do people actually believe Quinn Hughes is the best? Hmm, either way none of them are better or more impactful than McDavid.
Forgot About Drai
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The consensus was always that he was firmly #2/3. Anyone thinking otherwise was just a vocal minority. The guys f***ing nasty, just enjoy him. Theres no doubt at his peak he can match a McDavid like talent for periods of time, but I think 85% of people are still taking McDavid.
Pretty hilarious how this became an immediate shit on Edm fan thread, even though majority of the Oil fans in here are being pretty fairly level headed. For how much discourse there is around oiler fans being "insecure", it sure seems like the first argument for a lot of Avs fan is to immediately point to that anytime Mack is questioned lol.
Pretty hilarious how this became an immediate shit on Edm fan thread, even though majority of the Oil fans in here are being pretty fairly level headed. For how much discourse there is around oiler fans being "insecure", it sure seems like the first argument for a lot of Avs fan is to immediately point to that anytime Mack is questioned lol.
Slurpeelover27
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Simple question: who would you rather have on the ice - 5 Mcdavid's, 5 Mackinnon's or 5 Makar's?
I would easily have Makar's first and second Mackinnon's.
Not what I suggested, he's absolutely in the conversation.....still McDavid for me though. I was simply pointing out facts....you suggested MacKinnon won the Hart, Rocket and Art Ross.....of those 3, he only won the Hart.
To answer the real question....who is currently the best player in the world? McDavid for now.
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The biggest difference between Mackinnon and McDavid is their vision at top speed. Mackinnon gets tunnel vision and when he gets closed off by defenders, he makes panic plays which either look stupid or gets lucky and people think he did something amazing. Meanwhile, McDavid consistently makes safe and high quality plays at top speed and is able to make quick adjustments when he gets closed off.
Can’t we just be thankful we have both McDavid and MacKinnon? Along with Makar and an aging Sid still able to contribute to Canada’s A team. Why the incessant whining?
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Your question made me curious so I checked it out. For the past 4.5 seasons:
Rantanen has the most EN points with 44.
Crosby has 35 pts.
Mack, Kucherov and McD all have 30 pts.
Drai has 28 pts.
The differences are:
Kucherov's number is for 3.5 seasons only as he didn't play in the 20-21 season. His biggest season was last year.
Most of McD and Drai have been in the first 3 years. Less so in the past two.
Mack's biggest season is this season.
Crosby has been pretty even each years.
After digging into this I can tell you guys it is pretty useless to argue about EN points as all top players score about the same amount as an average per year except Mikko. Except for Crosby and Mikko they pretty well all alternate who score more in a specific year. Obviously this yearly stat can be affected by things like number of minutes per game while the net is empty, number of games a player had the opportunity, etc. so it is hard to say which players benefit the most (except Mikko) from EN pts. Percentage of EN pts vs total points would need to be calculated in relation to opportunities, etc. That is too much work for me.
Just HFOil leaking out onto the main board. Take one scroll through any of their threads and you'll see it's just all literally whining and crying.
Forgot About Drai
Dr Drai the Second
Half of the posts in here are Avs fans posting about Oiler fans. What are you talking about? Yall need to relax lol.
I don't get bent out of shape over it because McDavid is IMO the best player and there's not really much else left to prove it.
At various times Panarin, Crosby, Pasta, Gaudreau, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Matthews and others have being touted as McDavid's equal/superior because they've had the odd season or two where they've been able to keep pace, the difference is those guys can have sky high seasons, but McDavid is the only one who's in that range every year near the top or at the top every year since 2016.
No one else is.
Even this year with an actual goalie in net, McDavid has the highest PPG of anyone in the league (taking away empty net points). If that's your so-called "down season", that basically just tells the story.
At various times Panarin, Crosby, Pasta, Gaudreau, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Matthews and others have being touted as McDavid's equal/superior because they've had the odd season or two where they've been able to keep pace, the difference is those guys can have sky high seasons, but McDavid is the only one who's in that range every year near the top or at the top every year since 2016.
No one else is.
Even this year with an actual goalie in net, McDavid has the highest PPG of anyone in the league (taking away empty net points). If that's your so-called "down season", that basically just tells the story.
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It is too much, from both sides.
But the reason most Avs fans reply is because of false narratives, mainly from oilers fans with some Tampa fans sprinkled in, about MacKinnon.
He can get tunnel vision, make stupid plays, take shots over passes, make poor defensive decisions just like the rest of the players, Mcdavid included.
The difference is there isn’t a deluge of Avs fans pigeon holing Mcdavid as that type of player on every perceived poor play. Or attempting to call out Mcdavids decision to pass or shoot on what seems like every single time.
Good god. McDavid is a more talent player than Mack is also amazing. Who cares who’s better. This is such a stupid arguement
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Avs fan, so take it with what you will, but here's my take:
1. McDavid has the most raw talent in one package, but he's easier to shut down than Mack due to playing style. Connor plays more perimeter hockey and you can neutralize him by taking speed out of the middle. Similar to MacKinnon in some ways but Mack can be a bull in a China shop and will power through you when he wants to.
2. MacKinnon has been the better player for 2 calendar years, and has the most EVP in that time to show for it. Mack is older than McD and in his prime so it makes sense.
3. McDavid is/does have the better career, and his last playoffs proved a lot of doubters wrong,
4. Both have had some shortcomings in important do-or-die games, but in general I'd prefer MacK in a game 7 (coin flip)
5. Makar is a better argument for best player in the world with how much he can dictate the game. When he's on he can shutdown McDavid while outscoring him.
So while I don't think there's any doubt or much debate that Connor is the most talented player in the world, and perhaps best offensively, there's definitely periods of time when he's not the 'best' overall. Best is very subjective but my determination is how much they help you win a game. I'm not saying that trophy belongs to Mack when it's not McDavid either. I'm just a sucker for elite two-way players like Kopitar and Bergeron who do everything at both ends. Hence my Makar mention.
1. McDavid has the most raw talent in one package, but he's easier to shut down than Mack due to playing style. Connor plays more perimeter hockey and you can neutralize him by taking speed out of the middle. Similar to MacKinnon in some ways but Mack can be a bull in a China shop and will power through you when he wants to.
2. MacKinnon has been the better player for 2 calendar years, and has the most EVP in that time to show for it. Mack is older than McD and in his prime so it makes sense.
3. McDavid is/does have the better career, and his last playoffs proved a lot of doubters wrong,
4. Both have had some shortcomings in important do-or-die games, but in general I'd prefer MacK in a game 7 (coin flip)
5. Makar is a better argument for best player in the world with how much he can dictate the game. When he's on he can shutdown McDavid while outscoring him.
So while I don't think there's any doubt or much debate that Connor is the most talented player in the world, and perhaps best offensively, there's definitely periods of time when he's not the 'best' overall. Best is very subjective but my determination is how much they help you win a game. I'm not saying that trophy belongs to Mack when it's not McDavid either. I'm just a sucker for elite two-way players like Kopitar and Bergeron who do everything at both ends. Hence my Makar mention.
Forgot About Drai
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Oh 100%. Im not saying Oiler fans are innocent. Any Canadian franchise is extremely annoying when they are half decent.
Its just the classic pointing spiderman meme with these two fan-bases.
For the bold: No one is even doing that. Like two Oiler fans have said that and the others are neutrals. Game threads are cesspool, everyone is heated, of course they are going to be saying stupid shit. Its an inflated thing that Avs fan use to just label any Oil argument against Nmac as "insecure". Like im not saying HfOil doesnt have homers. They do, but its exaggerated alot
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Avsfan1921
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Yup and I will never argue that Mcdavid isn’t the most talented player in the league. But I will argue against false narratives that try to paint my guy in a bad, inaccurate light, as I would expect fans of others to do for their guy.
If Mcdavid wins tourney mvp I will be happy. That likely means we win gold. I wonder if that will be true on this board if the reverse were to happen and MacKinnon gets the award.
Forgot About Drai
Dr Drai the Second
Im with you brother. Down either way, just get the gold.
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