SomeDude
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Shouldn’t we wait to see what they do in the playoffs before groveling at his feet and declaring him king of the GMs for good asset management?
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That's a very debatable post.
Ok, you're now the Canes GM....what players and assets are you trading from the Canes and what stars/players are other teams giving up to make them more competitive than they are now?
Let's look at a few: do you really think that the Oilers (McDavid/Draisaitl), Colorado (MacKinnon/Makar), Tampa (Point/Kucherov), Toronto (Matthews), Boston (Pasta) are going to put their players on the market (Ok, maybe Pasta in the off-season); even non-SC contenders such as Vancouver are not putting Hughes in the market.
Oneiro
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Canes should only be judged by the playoffs at this point.
They are an excellent regular season team, excellent drafting team, as cohesive as any team in the league. Their approach with UFAs and their own guys is looking a little Jarmo-esque but otherwise, we know they're a great organization. But all that matters is the playoffs.
They are an excellent regular season team, excellent drafting team, as cohesive as any team in the league. Their approach with UFAs and their own guys is looking a little Jarmo-esque but otherwise, we know they're a great organization. But all that matters is the playoffs.
bleedgreen
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Hall was pretty clearly part of the first trade so you can’t separate him away from Necas’ value in the trade. You can’t throw in Drury and the picks then not include Hall.
Colorado is t-1st in the NHL in points since the trade
Before the trade
28-19-2
.592 P% (12th leaguewide)
3.29 GF/GP
After the trade
15-6-1
.705 P% (3rd leaguewide)
3.45 GF/GP
I think it's fair to say the trade has worked out for them.
Necas has proven to be at least as good (arguably better) while also being younger than Rantanen. Look at their numbers since being traded:
Necas 22gp 8g 20p +5
Rantanen 20gp 4g 10p -5
Rantanen is an elite complimentary player, but he needs a high motor play driver to have success.
Necas isn't as good as a complimentary player, but he's a much better play driver, which is more valuable IMO.
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bleedgreen
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I think every Canes fan would generally agree, we would just say when we lost everyone and approached this season we questioned whether or not we’d even make the playoffs. If we lose in the second round this season it’s success for the Canes. The other years it was disappointing for sure. This year was a reshuffle setting up for a hopeful step forward in the future.
Avs added other players beyond Necas at the TDL which are contributing to their success.
GM has done great work in re-doing the roster mid-season.
And their reward is Dallas and then probably Winnipeg....ugh! I think they will get out of the Division and if they stay healthy, will be Cup winners this year. Easier to do of course, when you have a core of world class players on the squad (versus the Canes which have a solid system with "good" players versus those "world class" core players).
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Necas did not put up "great" analytics with the Canes. He was good offensively and bad defensively.
These are the type of players the Hurricanes want.
This is a pretty ignorant take.
Rant's reasonable price was $12 mil and the way he played the past few years he was not worth that. The return was essentially Necas, Lindgren, Vesey, and Drury as the picks were flipped shortly after.
It also freed up cap space since Necas is only making $6.5 mil this year and next year to give us the flexibility to trade for Coyle. I personally take Necas + Coyle ($11.75 mil) over Rantanen ($12 mil) next year as well with the makeup of the team.
Rants was a luxury for them. An elite luxury, but at the end of the day Rants couldn't drive his own line. Necas isn't as good as producing as Rants, but he actually contributes in other areas besides that while still being a ~PPG player. You add on all the other depth pieces that came with it and it's a pretty clear win this year for the Avs. Things can change in the future, but as of now I make the deal 10/10 times.
Hawkaholic
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Its not hockey if you're not chirpin
Finlandia WOAT
js7.4x8fnmcf5070124
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How are you pulling these up, I can't get the google doc to work
tarheelhockey
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Yeah just imagine if they traded for one of the league’s top players. Surprised they haven’t done this in the current calendar year.
Nikishin al Gaib
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Please if they were a serious team they would have traded for 2 in the last 13 months.
LoiltyAtItsFinest
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He salvaged his screw up, kind of. Don’t know how much he should get praised for it. Kind of like when Mike Smith would play the puck right to the other team but then manage to get back in net to make the save.
MrHeiskanen
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Thechozen1
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Not a Canes fan, but as long as it’s not at my team’s expense, I hope they win the Stanley Cup before Dallas.
Mobiandi
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Probably the least frightening Eastern playoff team other than the Devils. So naturally they get to play each other
CarolinaBlueJacket
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When the Jackets had multiple FAs that would not sign, there were threads about why nobody wanted to be there. It was a running narrative for quite a while.
Why does Carolina not get this treatment?
BTW, I think both are great places to live, just thinking about the free pass the Canes are getting here?
Why does Carolina not get this treatment?
BTW, I think both are great places to live, just thinking about the free pass the Canes are getting here?
SI90
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I don’t think the Dallas trade was the problem. At the end of the Daynif they didn’t see Necas as part of the future they parlayed that into being able to trade Rantanen with an extension to Dallas for max value.
the halleJOKEL
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because the only one who hasn't wanted to sign here is mikko
CarolinaBlueJacket
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Well, they traded Necas, and Guentzel wanted to stay, but the Canes tried to play with fire and ended up getting burned.
the halleJOKEL
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guentzel wanted to sign, but we took too long to match his salary ask (afraid to get too close to the salary cap with both necas and jarvis sitting as unsigned RFAs).
necas was a square peg/round hole here, unfortunately. avs system is a much better fit.
