Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[The Old Master]

I deserve a medal for not shooting myself in the foot with a nailgun for at least 15 years in a row.

it's all yours.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

Is there a legitimate scenario where we can move on from Jarry this off-season?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Is there a legitimate scenario where we can move on from Jarry this off-season?

Probably. Teams are always looking for goalies and while we're all sick and tired of Jarry's shit, some team might think he's the solution to their issues.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Probably. Teams are always looking for goalies and while we're all sick and tired of Jarry's shit, some team might think he's the solution to their issues.

We've just got to find a team who's got a backup who heats up after the all-star break. Jarry can dominate from October until January, then ride the pine the rest of the year.

 

[eXile3]

Just for fun, let's imagine what it would take for this team to have post-season success:

- Ned/Jarry, nuff said.
- Sid to average 1.5 GPG and very likely 2+ ppg
- Rust to average 1 GPG
- The field to combine for another .5 GPG
- Team as a whole to suppress Boston/New York/Carolina to 2 GPG

That's to stand a chance. I don't think I've ever seen a team with this little offensive talent in the roster and lackluster defensive corps [in their own zone] make it beyond the first round *** without someone like Carey Price in net. We've got two 1B goalies, Sid, and a bucket full of mediocrity. It's not built for success - can anything happen? I guess so. Can Sid go psycho mode at 36? I guess for a round but I don't see it sustained through an entire playoffs. Hell, after about 10 minutes into game 1 - any coach/group of players with a brain cell are going to realize they just need to double-team Sid and this team is toast.

I like how you call out lack of offensive talent. Rakkel, Smith, EK, all had mid to upper 20s in goals last year. None of them will score 20. If you want to have an underperforming season head on over to Sully.

Watching guys like Nylander and McCann become more successful with other orgs.

It seems pretty obvious to me there is something wrong systematically.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I like how you call out lack of offensive talent. Rakkel, Smith, EK, all had mid to upper 20s in goals last year. None of them will score 20. If you want to have an underperforming season head on over to Sully.

Watching guys like Nylander and McCann become more successful with other orgs.

It seems pretty obvious to me there is something wrong systematically.

Speaking of Karlsson, one of the things I was looking forward to was we finally had a guy who could add another 15+ goals from the back end. But instead, whatever Sullivan's got him doing, he's not even going to hit double digits.

Sullivan sure can sap a player's offensive ability like no one around.

 

[Gurglesons]

Speaking of Karlsson, one of the things I was looking forward to was we finally had a guy who could add another 15+ goals from the back end. But instead, whatever Sullivan's got him doing, he's not even going to hit double digits.

Sullivan sure can sap a player's offensive ability like no one around.

His worst numbers basically since his first two years in the league and the San Jose season when he was recovering from lingering groin issues.

 

[Sideline]

Probably. Teams are always looking for goalies and while we're all sick and tired of Jarry's shit, some team might think he's the solution to their issues.

Agreed. He's co-leading the league in shutouts. I'd be shocked if there aren't half a dozen GMs thinking he's obviously better than what they've got.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

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His worst numbers basically since his first two years in the league and the San Jose season when he was recovering from lingering groin issues.

What's even worse is I think he scored like 5 or 6 of those goals within the first half of the season before Sullivan fully "fixed" him. The longer Sullivan's had a hold of him, the less he's been producing.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Just for fun, let's imagine what it would take for this team to have post-season success:

- Ned/Jarry, nuff said.
- Sid to average 1.5 GPG and very likely 2+ ppg
- Rust to average 1 GPG
- The field to combine for another .5 GPG
- Team as a whole to suppress Boston/New York/Carolina to 2 GPG

That's to stand a chance. I don't think I've ever seen a team with this little offensive talent in the roster and lackluster defensive corps [in their own zone] make it beyond the first round *** without someone like Carey Price in net. We've got two 1B goalies, Sid, and a bucket full of mediocrity. It's not built for success - can anything happen? I guess so. Can Sid go psycho mode at 36? I guess for a round but I don't see it sustained through an entire playoffs. Hell, after about 10 minutes into game 1 - any coach/group of players with a brain cell are going to realize they just need to double-team Sid and this team is toast.

You forget that Carter and Harkins are just waiting to put this team on their respective backs and carry them to the franchise's sixth Stanley Cup.

 

[molon labe]

I like how you call out lack of offensive talent. Rakkel, Smith, EK, all had mid to upper 20s in goals last year. None of them will score 20. If you want to have an underperforming season head on over to Sully.

Watching guys like Nylander and McCann become more successful with other orgs.

It seems pretty obvious to me there is something wrong systematically.

The three names you specifically mention all had outlier years last year.

Look prior to that. Smith and Rakell especially were mediocre offensively and were viewed as basically solid middle 6ers. Smith was given up for free. Karlsson is a playmaker not a goal scorer. He's a fine addition (at the cost of table scraps) - but it was absolutely bone-headed to look at that move as somehow uplifting this forward group to more goals (we struggled last year too mind you).

Yeah the system sucks. Sullivan's personnel choices may be the only thing that suck more than his system. It was painfully obvious to [mostly] everyone we needed more offensive talent...and that was WITH Guentzel. Now that he's gone, you need a top line scoring threat for Sid AND very, very likely a 2C that can generate and score 20ish.

 

[eXile3]

The three names you specifically mention all had outlier years last year.

Look prior to that. Smith and Rakell especially were mediocre offensively and were viewed as basically solid middle 6ers. Smith was given up for free. Karlsson is a playmaker not a goal scorer. He's a fine addition (at the cost of table scraps) - but it was absolutely bone-headed to look at that move as somehow uplifting this forward group to more goals (we struggled last year too mind you).

Yeah the system sucks. Sullivan's personnel choices may be the only thing that suck more than his system. It was painfully obvious to [mostly] everyone we needed more offensive talent...and that was WITH Guentzel. Now that he's gone, you need a top line scoring threat for Sid AND very, very likely a 2C that can generate and score 20ish.

Maybe EK but both Smith and Rakell have scored 20+ goals a handful of time in their careers. The outlier is this year.

Yes they were seen as middle six guys but they’re not even that this season. Both guys should have been more productive and held back by the system.

 

[JRS91]

I still don't know how some people can watch this team and think Karlsson is the problem.

He's been by far their best defenseman this year on both sides of the ice and it's not even close in my opinion. I'd move Letang before I'd move Karlsson if you want me to be honest.

 

[molon labe]

Maybe EK but both Smith and Rakell have scored 20+ goals a handful of time in their careers. The outlier is this year.

Yes they were seen as middle six guys but they’re not even that this season. Both guys should have been more productive and held back by the system.

Hard to be a middle 6 guy without any sort of offensive generation in your 2C and 3C.

Geno and Eller are just...well they are what they are. If they were your 3C and 4C not bad. But certainly Rakell looks like he's handling a grenade every time the puck is near him and Smith is just....well he sucks this year. He's gotten some points but the only bright spot is maybe some GM will only look at that because he's awful MOST of the time out there. That's why they were bad to go off and get. They're complimentary pieces suited for the Pens 10 years ago - not the Pens of today. Rakell brings nothing out there for the money we spend and Smith is the most sidecar player in the lineup. He looks 'fine' next to Sid and shit everywhere else - because he can't generate on his own. That's not a piece we need right now (last year, year prior, etc.). We need top 6 that can finish AND generate.

I'd say they both look like line 2 upsides and firmly line 3 players at this point. Maybe they rebound but that doesn't appear possible here.

All that being said Rakell should be up on line 1 versus DOC. Good friggin God enough with that experiment already.

I still don't know how some people can watch this team and think Karlsson is the problem.

He's been by far their best defenseman this year on both sides of the ice and it's not even close in my opinion. I'd move Letang before I'd move Karlsson if you want me to be honest.

110 percent would move Letang before moving EK. But who's taking Letang?

Our defense is pretty awful - but you COULD make up for that with better offensive zone control and more offensive zone time....aka a much better offense. They're just consistently exposed because we're a 1 line team and 3 lines of....'get ready to get hemmed up in our own zone boys'.

St Ivany kid has looked good though. Crazy how you can somehow upgrade on Ruh and Graves with ELC money. Right? Almost like you can upgrade your bottom 9 forwards without spending 2-3M on a bunch of shit players.

 

[Jacob]

It’s probably not thread worthy but I wish there was a better way to get updates like Blomqvist coming up and Poulin going down. I literally just saw it and only by browsing hockeydb.

 

[BusinessGoose]

It’s probably not thread worthy but I wish there was a better way to get updates like Blomqvist coming up and Poulin going down. I literally just saw it and only by browsing hockeydb.

Unless you follow the pens on X

Then just bookmark this Transactions - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[DesertedPenguin]

It’s probably not thread worthy but I wish there was a better way to get updates like Blomqvist coming up and Poulin going down. I literally just saw it and only by browsing hockeydb.

Twitter is the only place that gets updated immediately. Capfriendly soon follows suit, but it can be delayed.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I still don't know how some people can watch this team and think Karlsson is the problem.

He's been by far their best defenseman this year on both sides of the ice and it's not even close in my opinion. I'd move Letang before I'd move Karlsson if you want me to be honest.

Completely agree. The negative discourse around him astounds me.

I don’t think casual fans reading Yohe, Rossi, etc and checking his stats vs last year helps… but do not get it. There’s an argument he’s their best 5v5 player.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Jeff Carter should not only be released, he should be released in the most embarrassing way possible as a warning to future crusty vets looking for one last payday.

thank you

 

[Andy99]

It’s probably not thread worthy but I wish there was a better way to get updates like Blomqvist coming up and Poulin going down. I literally just saw it and only by browsing hockeydb.

Speaking of…unfortunately

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Has there been a younger player that has shown any sort of promise this season? Puustinen and DOC, I suppose? Are these playoff level players though? This shits grim.

Yes...the Metro sucks. All the more reason it's utterly embarrassing we're outside looking in.

It's not like Bedard is available again. WTF have we been doing all year looking at this team and system?


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Honest question here: what do you all think Brady Tkachuk costs? Assuming he's "available" - is it remotely possible? He's literally the mold of player I've coveted for the Pens for so long...and I know it's a long shot....but, group-think it if you feel up for it.

I can't see him available. If he is well I'd give an arm and a leg. I'd expect they want a young cost controlled player. I don't think we have that on our roster though.

I deserve a medal for not shooting myself in the foot with a nailgun for at least 15 years in a row.

Go to the dollar store take a picture and we can have some sort of ceremony.

it's all yours.

I guess this works.

Probably. Teams are always looking for goalies and while we're all sick and tired of Jarry's shit, some team might think he's the solution to their issues.

If we can sign Ned to a contract like 4x3 or something sure I will trade Jarry.

The three names you specifically mention all had outlier years last year.

Look prior to that. Smith and Rakell especially were mediocre offensively and were viewed as basically solid middle 6ers. Smith was given up for free. Karlsson is a playmaker not a goal scorer. He's a fine addition (at the cost of table scraps) - but it was absolutely bone-headed to look at that move as somehow uplifting this forward group to more goals (we struggled last year too mind you).

Yeah the system sucks. Sullivan's personnel choices may be the only thing that suck more than his system. It was painfully obvious to [mostly] everyone we needed more offensive talent...and that was WITH Guentzel. Now that he's gone, you need a top line scoring threat for Sid AND very, very likely a 2C that can generate and score 20ish.

Yea Karlsson to me I feel I expected about 20 to 15 goals. The reason why is the amount of passes we send to the D to shoot.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

This team's play in OT doesn't get anywhere near the criticism it deserves. They're 4-11. If they were even moderately competent in extra time, they'd be in a playoff position right now. And according to some posts a few days ago quoting Madden, the team doesn't even practice 3-on-3. All Sully gives a shit about is the PK and defensive zone draws. The two things he was responsible for when he played.

Not sure who posted this yesterday, but if this team misses the playoffs, it will be one of the best rosters to ever miss. I'd like to add that the coaching has been so bad even Sully couldn't repeat it. It's near miracle-level of awful. And his seat isn't even warm.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I can't see him available. If he is well I'd give an arm and a leg. I'd expect they want a young cost controlled player. I don't think we have that on our roster though.



Go to the dollar store take a picture and we can have some sort of ceremony.


I guess this works.



If we can sign Ned to a contract like 4x3 or something sure I will trade Jarry.


Yea Karlsson to me I feel I expected about 20 to 15 goals. The reason why is the amount of passes we send to the D to shoot.

I'd trade Jarry and just wing it tbh. f*** Jarry.

 

[Jacob]

It's always sounded like they don't practice 3-on-3 or shootouts much because it's not a playoff thing. Kinda like when mustache boy was dumped. Not being singularly focused how you will play in the playoffs is seen as a distraction or something.

I think that's part of the reason why they've accepted the shitty PP too. You don't get as many in the POs anyway, so why care?

 

[chethejet]

Well I still think Jarry has to tools here. Now a contract at 5 AAV for a starting goalie is not a killer with 4 years left. I think there are four issues here Dubas has to deal with. Trading Smith for a number 2 at the draft. Getting into the top 10 draft this year. Jarry will be moveable here if Dubas thinks that is the move. I think the oilers can be a trade partner for him, get a number 1. Lastly replacing the coaching staff to reflect what Dubas wants and Sullivan unless he decides to coach elsewhere needs to change. Play the younger players and develop them. End his crap system and get bigger, younger, faster and play with far more physicality. FSG has to come to grips with a bad extension and even trading him to another team can be done.