Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[HandshakeLine]

How aggressive were they in trying to move Pettersson? Was sleepy willing to include a sweetener?

From the reports that came out, he apparently had Marino, Matheson, and Pettersson and the block-- Montreal wanted Matheson or Pettersson, but to get rid of Petts, we would have had to add to the deal, where as for Matheson, we got something back.

Marino being traded was more of a cap casualty than anything else is my read. I don't remember if there was any interest in moving Dumo but man, I wish they'd explored that in any depth if there wasn't.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Montreal wanted Matheson. The original deal was Pettersson and Blueger for Petry.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Montreal wanted Matheson. The original deal was Pettersson and Blueger for Petry.

That's right, I had it backwards.

Ignore my previous post.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Speaking of, what are the rumors that the Pens are displeased with Blueger? I think I saw someone mention it in one of the threads recently.

 

[Pens x]

Speaking of, what are the rumors that the Pens are displeased with Blueger? I think I saw someone mention it in one of the threads recently.

Because he sucks? Maybe someone in the front office stumbled upon the fact that he’s 28 years old and realized he is what he is at this point. Maybe the team finally stopped treating him like a 22 year old like the fans.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think the Pens have been trying to move Petts for a calendar year or so. It's hard to dump cap without adding a significant asset like a 1st or 2nd+prospect, and Petts isn't bad enough to warrant that. Hell, I don't think anybody on the team is, tbh.

As for Blueger, I think the team's just tired of waiting for him to hit that next level. They're not doing him any favors by playing him with who he's been with recently, but I don't really think he's forced their hand into promoting him to the 3rd line either. After a while, you just kinda stop giving a shit when the dude is a no-show for 18 playoff games.

 

[Epic Neal Time]

It's increasingly clear that Dumoulin is the one to trade. The fact that we have 10M tied up in him, Kapanen, and McGinn is what's killing this team.

Take that 10M and spread it over actual scoring depth, and you're cooking.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Zucker's $5.5 million is pretty f***ed too, tbh. He's a fine player but when the dude is on the shelf for like 50% of the season with regularity, it doesn't really matter how solid he is. He'd need to be exceptional in his time healthy, and he sure ain't that.

So you've got Zucker's $5.5 million. Dumo's $4.1 million. McGinn's $2.75 million. Arguably Kap's $3.2 million, though that's pretty whatever for an average 3rd liner. That's a shade over $15.5 million tied up in guys who aren't cutting it in one way or another. Add in Blueger's $2.2 million to do what Poehling's been perfectly fine at for 1/3 the price. /shrug

 

[HandshakeLine]

It's increasingly clear that Dumoulin is the one to trade. The fact that we have 10M tied up in him, Kapanen, and McGinn is what's killing this team.

Take that 10M and spread it over actual scoring depth, and you're cooking.

I don't know if you can move Duomolin at this point for a significant return. McGinn is probably moveable if you can convince someone he's really a miscast top 9 guy. Kap is likely going to go to UFA on this team.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't know if you can move Duomolin at this point for a significant return. McGinn is probably moveable if you can convince someone he's really a miscast top 9 guy. Kap is likely going to go to UFA on this team.

I have no clue how to gauge Dumo as an asset, tbh. He looks awful, and has been in a steady decline for years, but at the same time GMs absolutely love them some "Two-time Cup winner, top pairing, solid defensive vet" garbage so maybe he'd be movable on resume alone. But then you're talking about something like Petts and POJ as the 1LD and 2LD respectively.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The thing is, through, what 9 games, Dumo hasn't looked good in any of them. I'm not sure Petts would necessarily be worse. Not that I'm saying Petts is a top pairing guy or anything.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The thing is, through, what 9 games, Dumo hasn't looked good in any of them. I'm not sure Petts would necessarily be worse. Not that I'm saying Petts is a top pairing guy or anything.

I'd probably give Rutta-Letang or Rutta-Petry a shot if he's comfortable and effective on his off side. I agree that Petts wouldn't be worse than Dumo though. It was more that I just don't know that throwing POJ on with Petry is gonna do anything positive for the kid. When Petry is playing well, I'm sure it wouldn't be an issue, but when Petry's in one of his stupid, lazy dipshit moments, I don't know that POJ is the guy to pick up the slack.

If there's a market for Dumo, by all means. Work the phones. I don't think there is based on play, but like I said, GMs are dumb as shit and love a good resume. If Scuderi was movable, and for a solid asset in return, then hell, dream big.

 

[BusinessGoose]

It's increasingly clear that Dumoulin is the one to trade. The fact that we have 10M tied up in him, Kapanen, and McGinn is what's killing this team.

Take that 10M and spread it over actual scoring depth, and you're cooking.

Id say, replace those guys with AHL dudes, and use the other 7+ mil on a real top six or top 4 guy would still be an improvement

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I think this YouTube comment has it figured out:

"Trade Kapi for a winger that can produce like Jake, a Phil Kessel, James Neal type, or shoot for a good 3rd line center try to find a Staal or HBK line recreation."

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think this YouTube comment has it figured out:

"Trade Kapi for a winger that can produce like Jake, a Phil Kessel, James Neal type, or shoot for a good 3rd line center try to find a Staal or HBK line recreation."

Well I'd like to see your rebuttal, sir.

Why wouldn't you want to trade trash for treasure? It's simple; just acquire good players for bad players. The Cup awaits.

 

[HandshakeLine]

My rebuttal is: I think we should try scoring more than the other team first before we get hasty and try fixing osmething that is obsivoubly broken

 

[McGroarty2]

When Blueger returns, they'll need to move someone out for cap space flexibility. One of McGinn, Blueger or Dumoulin should be considered at this point.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

My rebuttal is: I think we should try scoring more than the other team first before we get hasty and try fixing osmething that is obsivoubly broken

Somebody's got a bright future as an NHL exec or coach.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Somebody's got a bright future as an NHL exec or coach.

Only if you hit me in the head with a hammer about 20 more times.

"We can't keep letting our foot off the gas. It's a 60 minute game, not a 20 minute game, we just need to get to the lose pucks, chip them on net, and stick to our game. Play whistle to whistle. Finish our checks, and remember, it's not about the name on the back, but the crest on the fornt."

Give me my $5 million and years of unaccountability, please. No need to subtract the cost of the hammer, I'll bring my own.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Only if you hit me in the head with a hammer about 20 more times.

"We can't keep letting our foot off the gas. It's a 60 minute game, not a 20 minute game, we just need to get to the lose pucks, chip them on net, and stick to our game. Play whistle to whistle. Finish our checks, and remember, it's not about the name on the back, but the crest on the fornt."

Give me my $5 million and years of unaccountability, please. No need to subtract the cost of the hammer, I'll bring my own.

No "pucks in deep"? Jesus, somebody's already on the hot seat.

 

[HandshakeLine]

No "pucks in deep"? Jesus, somebody's already on the hot seat.

Excuse me, I am bringing in a radical new system of hocket that already anticipates the fact that nobody on this team can win a footrace against a statue.

Well, except Kapanen, but the statue outsmarts him every time.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Excuse me, I am bringing in a radical new system of hocket that already anticipates the fact that nobody on this team can win a footrace against a statue.

Well, except Kapanen, but the statue outsmarts him every time.

Kap really is just like, comically dumb on the ice. He's like a character from a Disney Mighty Ducks movie.

 

[HandshakeLine]

When Kap doesn't think, he's fine. It's when he starts thinkin', he gets in trouble.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

When Kap doesn't think, he's fine. It's when he starts thinkin', he gets in trouble.

Ah, the Letang school of hockey. Just, without the incredible athleticism and unbelievable talent.

 

[eXile3]

I think being involved in two crucial dumb plays in back to back playoffs may have something to do with it as well.

Two plays doesn’t make him a bad player. He had his flaws but he could also help move the puck.

It’s not a zero sum game where the player either sucks or is awesome.