Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah again... I'm being a little snarky but you gotta at least see what the guy does in actions and not words. GMs (and coaches for that matter) say lots of stuff they don't actually mean.

But I mean... I can't help but laugh a little bit that they just fired the last GM for laying out basically this same plan.

 

[Peat]

+/- Doesn't like buyouts. + Says there is better ways to get rid of "problematic" contracts, so at least he recognizes there are problematic contracts (and could really only be talking about Granlund and Carter). - If they can't find a trade, buyout is the next best option.

Just Granlund. Carter's contract is 35+ so you get no contract relief for buying him out.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah again... I'm being a little snarky but you gotta at least see what the guy does in actions and not words. GMs (and coaches for that matter) say lots of stuff they don't actually mean.

But I mean... I can't help but laugh a little bit that they just fired the last GM for laying out basically this same plan.

Yeah but Yohe and Rob said Hextall bad!

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah again... I'm being a little snarky but you gotta at least see what the guy does in actions and not words. GMs (and coaches for that matter) say lots of stuff they don't actually mean.

But I mean... I can't help but laugh a little bit that they just fired the last GM for laying out basically this same plan.

I wonder if Hextall would still have a job if he didn't actively and dramatically f*** things up. If he just did basically nothing, I think he's maybe still in charge of this ship heading into the draft.

 

[Gurglesons]

I wonder if Hextall would still have a job if he didn't actively and dramatically f*** things up. If he just did basically nothing, I think he's maybe still in charge of this ship heading into the draft.

Sullivan would've still coached this team out of the playoffs and obviously that was Hextall's fault because Hextall wouldn't get Mike Sullivan the pieces he asked for like Chychrun, Barbashev, and young players.

 

[Andy99]

Yeah again... I'm being a little snarky but you gotta at least see what the guy does in actions and not words. GMs (and coaches for that matter) say lots of stuff they don't actually mean.

But I mean... I can't help but laugh a little bit that they just fired the last GM for laying out basically this same plan.

the thing is, you can add short term depth fringe guys who “chip in” or reclamation projects when you have a young core like he did in Toronto, but this team needs finishers….badly

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I wonder if Hextall would still have a job if he didn't actively and dramatically f*** things up. If he just did basically nothing, I think he's maybe still in charge of this ship heading into the draft.

Well hey at least his amateur scouting department is still heading up the draft!

It'll be like he's still here in spirit.

I tend to think he was out the door, regardless. I don't think FSG liked him from the word go and wanted to start making their mark on the franchise ASAP, anyway. The Granlund disaster probably sealed it. Though I suppose it's interesting to think about what might have happened if the team inexplicably went on a run post TDL and *gasp* maybe even won a round in the post season.

 

[Gurglesons]

the thing is, you can add short term depth fringe guys who “chip in” or reclamation projects when you have a young core like he did in Toronto, but this team needs finishers….badly

Or you can do that when you are based in Toronto. Not Pittsburgh. Let's see how this goes for Dubas when he tries to get the Bunting, Brodie, and Gio contracts in Pittsburgh.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I wonder if Hextall would still have a job if he didn't actively and dramatically f*** things up. If he just did basically nothing, I think he's maybe still in charge of this ship heading into the draft.

I kinda think if he didn't do the Granlund trade, he very well may be here still

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Well hey at least his amateur scouting department is still heading up the draft!

It'll be like he's still here in spirit.

I tend to think he was out the door, regardless. I don't think FSG liked him from the word go and wanted to start making their mark on the franchise ASAP, anyway. The Granlund disaster probably sealed it. Though I suppose it's interesting to think about what might have happened if the team inexplicably went on a run post TDL and *gasp* maybe even won a round in the post season.

Yeah, I don't think he was really what FSG wanted, but I don't know if he would've been fired had he not (seemingly intentionally) sabotaged the roster. It's like he saw the final years of JR's asinine moves and dogshit managing and he picked up the baton right where JR left off and kept sprinting with it.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, I don't think he was really what FSG wanted, but I don't know if he would've been fired had he not (seemingly intentionally) sabotaged the roster. It's like he saw the final years of JR's asinine moves and dogshit managing and he picked up the baton right where JR left off and kept sprinting with it.

Hextall really only had this trade deadline as bad moves. Everything else was relatively whatever.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah, I don't think he was really what FSG wanted, but I don't know if he would've been fired had he not (seemingly intentionally) sabotaged the roster. It's like he saw the final years of JR's asinine moves and dogshit managing and he picked up the baton right where JR left off and kept sprinting with it.

I never thought that Hextall's bad moves were much worse than miscues most GMs are gonna make up until that point. Yeah sure... he wasn't exactly doing anything bold or frankly much at all outside of just kinda being there. But that final flourish was so outrageously wrongheaded and out of left field that it nearly felt malicious.

 

[The Old Master]

So let me get this straight…Dubas says he’s not going to buy out anyone and is not going to trade his first round pick…this is all for other GMs consumption…I hope…unless he plans not to contend

it means he wants paid.

 

[pistolpete11]

Just Granlund. Carter's contract is 35+ so you get no contract relief for buying him out.

Right. I didn't word that well, but I was just saying the only contracts you could look at and call problematic would be Granlund and Carter. How you deal with those would be different and unfortunately you've probably just gotta grin and bear it when it comes to Carter.

 

[Peat]

Well hey at least his amateur scouting department is still heading up the draft!

It'll be like he's still here in spirit.

I tend to think he was out the door, regardless. I don't think FSG liked him from the word go and wanted to start making their mark on the franchise ASAP, anyway. The Granlund disaster probably sealed it. Though I suppose it's interesting to think about what might have happened if the team inexplicably went on a run post TDL and *gasp* maybe even won a round in the post season.

It would have been very inexplicable given the team's quality post-deadline.

I do think in time we might judge Hextall, but that deadline was a stinker, which was then sealed by some bad luck in terms of injuries.

Also given his job is part PR and he clearly stunk at it, I'm not searching too hard for my violin.

Right. I didn't word that well, but I was just saying the only contracts you could look at and call problematic would be Granlund and Carter. How you deal with those would be different and unfortunately you've probably just gotta grin and bear it when it comes to Carter.

Gotcha. Where's Marian Hossa's doctor when you need him...

 

[Darren McCord]

Hextall really only had this trade deadline as bad moves. Everything else was relatively whatever.

Ehhh Carter became an anchor real quick. You can say he must up the expansion draft but that is whatever.

Hextall was ok but then went on a pretty steady decline hitting rock bottom at this deadline.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It would have been very inexplicable given the team's quality post-deadline.

I do think in time we might judge Hextall, but that deadline was a stinker, which was then sealed by some bad luck in terms of injuries.

Also given his job is part PR and he clearly stunk at it, I'm not searching too hard for my violin.

Oh don't mistake me... I'm glad he's gone. This team needs energy and vision. That wasn't Ron Hextall.

But I think it's funny HOW much gets laid at his feet...

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I never thought that Hextall's bad moves were much worse than miscues most GMs are gonna make up until that point. Yeah sure... he wasn't exactly doing anything bold or frankly much at all outside of just kinda being there. But that final flourish was so outrageously wrongheaded and out of left field that it nearly felt malicious.

I'd argue the bulk of Hextall's moves were either lukewarm or outright bad. Kap's two year extension after a lengthy period of seriously inconsistent play under this coach. The navigation of the expansion draft. Carter getting two years *and* a NMC. McGinn for four years. Refusing to even field offers for Rust at the deadline last year. The great blueline shuffle that accomplished nothing aside from getting older. Then, right as it looked like Hextall was mayyyybe sorting himself out by dumping several players from the worst bottom-6 in hockey, entirely his construction, he spent all the cap he'd created on handcuffing himself to a shit player and worse fit with a $5 million AAV with two more years term.

The only move Hextall made that was good, was landing Rakell. And even then, meh.

This team was a lengthy Sid or Geno injury away from a top-5 pick last year. The only reason they were even in the running for a playoff spot was because of those two guys.

 

[The Old Master]

Either be totally shit or actually TRY, ya know? This duplicitous double-speak nonsense sucks. IF that's what is going on.

if that's the plan do you think he's going to tell you????

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Oh don't mistake me... I'm glad he's gone. This team needs energy and vision. That wasn't Ron Hextall.

It's the height of weirdness that a guy who was a fiery, fly off the handle maniac as a player was such a meek, sheepish, idiotic dork as a GM.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ehhh Carter became an anchor real quick. You can say he must up the expansion draft but that is whatever.

Hextall was ok but then went on a pretty steady decline hitting rock bottom at this deadline.

Carter is not an anchor. Every single team has a Carter contract on their books.

Our coach using him like a quintessential piece after Sid and Malkin is what makes Carter bad.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'd argue the bulk of Hextall's moves were either lukewarm or outright bad. Kap's two year extension after a lengthy period of seriously inconsistent play under this coach. The navigation of the expansion draft. Carter getting two years *and* a NMC. McGinn for four years. Refusing to even field offers for Rust at the deadline last year. The great blueline shuffle that accomplished nothing aside from getting older. Then, right as it looked like Hextall was mayyyybe sorting himself out by dumping several players from the worst bottom-6 in hockey, entirely his construction, he spent all the cap he'd created on handcuffing himself to a shit player and worse fit with a $5 million AAV with two more years term.

The only move Hextall made that was good, was landing Rakell. And even then, meh.

This team was a lengthy Sid or Geno injury away from a top-5 pick last year. The only reason they were even in the running for a playoff spot was because of those two guys.

I'll be eager to see how many trades/acquisitions going busto here it takes before people start squawking about how "Dubas must not be on the same page as coach Sullivan!"

Goodness gracious... again?!? Well that's three in a row, now! Curious!

 

[McGroarty2]

It would have been very inexplicable given the team's quality post-deadline.

I do think in time we might judge Hextall, but that deadline was a stinker, which was then sealed by some bad luck in terms of injuries.

Also given his job is part PR and he clearly stunk at it, I'm not searching too hard for my violin.



Gotcha. Where's Marian Hossa's doctor when you need him...

Couldn't he just say it's very uncomfortable wearing his jockstrap because of the severe genital warts that he got from Hartnell's wife?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'll be curious to see how many trades/acquisitions going busto here it takes before people start squawking about how "Dubas must not be on the same page as coach Sullivan!"

Goodness gracious... again?!? Well that's three in a row, now! Curious!

Still maintain that Mario f***ed the end of the era by refusing to act following the Montreal play-in. /shrug

Both JR and Sully should've been fired into the sun. There was still time to fix stuff and make one or two strong runs. Ah well.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'll be curious to see how many trades/acquisitions going busto here it takes before people start squawking about how "Dubas must not be on the same page as coach Sullivan!"

Goodness gracious... again?!? Well that's three in a row, now! Curious!

I mean that's happening on day one. Jeff Carter is going to be 3C heading into the season regardless of who we add. And he may be 4C on the "starting line up", but look into his minutes and he'll be 3C.