Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[Peat]

Tbh I'll believe any journo telling me the Pens are chatting about Ullmark in the same way I'll believe anyone telling me the sun rose in the east yesterday.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Fillipponi does have some sources, but they're mostly Pirates related I believe. He was right about Reynolds having an injury and needing to go on the IL less than 2 weeks ago.

I think Ullmark makes a boatload of sense based on what Dubas has said. An Ullmark-Kahkonen tandem would cost $7.75 million on the cap and you can likely get both of those guys for a relatively cheap price.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I saw this posted elsewhere…no idea if someone here commented on it because I’ve given up wading thru 10 pages of nothing lol

“Some new from Seravalli on Jeff Petry, as he updates his trade board:

The Penguins were working on Tuesday to find a new home for Petry, who was acquired by then-GM Ron Hextall last July. The goal for GM Kyle Dubas is to try to lower the Pens’ average age a touch. The view around the league is Petry has slowed down a bit and is no longer playing at a level commensurate to his cap hit. The term on his deal also makes him a little more difficult to move. It’s believed San Jose is a potential landing spot for Petry, while the Pens are also among the teams believed to be interested in Kaapo Kahkonen.”

I like the idea of getting younger but what RD are you getting thats better than him? You have to dump Petry for minimal assets and then pay to acquire someone else. Through trade only EK is available and UFA is barren for RD. Dumba and Klinberg are not upgrades

 

[Empoleon8771]

I like the idea of getting younger but what RD are you getting thats better than him? You have to dump Petry for minimal assets and then pay to acquire someone else. Through trade only EK is available and UFA is barren for RD. Dumba and Klinberg are not upgrades

I think trading Petry and signing Mayfield makes a lot of sense based on who the Penguins have on LD. I don't like POJ as a partner for Petry, but I think POJ-Mayfield would complement each other extremely well.

I think the defense actually falls into place really nicely if you replace Petry with Mayfield. Run with:

Pettersson-Letang
POJ-Mayfield
Smith-Rutta

Now if you trade POJ for Ullmark, which I'm kinda suspecting Boston would want, that idea goes out the window.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Another thing to point out regarding trading Petry: you open up a spot for Smith to be the PPQB on the 2nd powerplay unit if you move Petry out.

I've said in the past that I didn't want to trade Petry for the sake of trading Petry, but a Petry for Mayfield makes the defense fall into place a lot cleaner IMO. Your D pairs are what I listed above, and the special teams D pairs would be:

PP1: Letang
PP2: Smith and POJ
Extra PP defenseman: Pettersson

PK1: Rutta-Mayfield
PK2: Pettersson-Letang
Extra PKer: POJ

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Isn't Mayfield kind of a pylon? The only thing I remember that guy ever doing was crosschecking the absolute f*** out of Jake and Sid a few years ago in the playoffs.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Isn't Mayfield kind of a pylon? The only thing I remember that guy ever doing was crosschecking the absolute f*** out of Jake and Sid a few years ago in the playoffs.

No?

He has been a middle pair shutdown D for years. He has been used in a pretty heavy defensive role and still has good on-ice results. Mayfield isn't as good as Pelech but he's not much worse.

 

[Peat]

Idle thought but maybe the idea of getting out of Petry is to redirect his money towards picking up a high end compliment for Letang and using Pettersson to carry the second pairing with a cheaper add



Also since we're talking Ullmark, nothing's happened with the goalies and I think you're maybe seeing the reason Dubas isn't among the opening salvos. The net is priority number one imo and not spending much elsewhere until you know what you're doing there makes sense.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I wonder about Graves.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Idle thought but maybe the idea of getting out of Petry is to redirect his money towards picking up a high end compliment for Letang and using Pettersson to carry the second pairing with a cheaper add



Also since we're talking Ullmark, nothing's happened with the goalies and I think you're maybe seeing the reason Dubas isn't among the opening salvos. The net is priority number one imo and not spending much elsewhere until you know what you're doing there makes sense.

I guess the closest you can do to that in UFA would probably be Orlov or Graves with Letang and Dumba with Pettersson. Honestly I'm not a fan of that.

 

[Lust for Life]

I don't think the board could cope with Du(m)bas(s) and Dumba(ss)

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think the board could cope with Du(m)bas(s) and Dumba(ss)

Sounds like a DUI attorney lawfirm.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I wonder about Graves.

Sid can talk him into it.... Being from Nova Scotia.

 

[Peat]

I guess the closest you can do to that in UFA would probably be Orlov or Graves with Letang and Dumba with Pettersson. Honestly I'm not a fan of that.

I think we can safely assume that UFA is a trash fire we should avoid. But if the Pens are willing to spend big, Hanifin is there. Boston have to do something about their cap, which puts Grzelcyk and maybe Lindholm in play. Devon Toews doesn't fit what Dubas has talked about in the slightest, but maybe him? Or maybe Girard as the puck moving carrier of the second pairing, with Pettersson being Dumo-lite and someone more solid paired with Girard.

I dunno. I'm spitballing. But there's teams with LDs and incentive to trade.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'd like Graves, but like everything else, the price has to make sense. This team's got several issues to address, so they can't really be going the JR route of overspending to land their guy because of the impact that'll have elsewhere.

In no particular order; goalie, 3rd line, Geno's wing, top-4 LD. Lots of work for Dubas to do, and not a lot of assets to make trades work--so he's gotta navigate FA well. We'll see what happens.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think we can safely assume that UFA is a trash fire we should avoid. But if the Pens are willing to spend big, Hanifin is there. Boston have to do something about their cap, which puts Grzelcyk and maybe Lindholm in play. Devon Toews doesn't fit what Dubas has talked about in the slightest, but maybe him? Or maybe Girard as the puck moving carrier of the second pairing, with Pettersson being Dumo-lite and someone more solid paired with Girard.

I dunno. I'm spitballing. But there's teams with LDs and incentive to trade.

Of the names you listed, I think Grzelcyk to play on the 2nd pair and signing Mayfield in UFA is probably the best option available. But I'm skeptical they have the money for that.

Maybe POJ and a 2024 1st for Grzelcyk and Ullmark and then sign Mayfield in UFA? Plan/hope that Smith progresses enough to take the 2nd pair LD role with Mayfield after Grzelcyk walks.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Isn't Mayfield kind of a pylon? The only thing I remember that guy ever doing was crosschecking the absolute f*** out of Jake and Sid a few years ago in the playoffs.

+24 over those ECF runs.

 

[Pancakes]

I wasn't all that impressed watching Graves in the playoffs. He looked a bit heavy footed at times. I don't think he's worth the contract he's going to get.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

+24 over those ECF runs.

I imagine lots of guys from the Trotz Isles were pluses with his style and their goaltending. /shrug

 

[DesertedPenguin]

HELLO.

 

[Peat]

Of the names you listed, I think Grzelcyk to play on the 2nd pair and signing Mayfield in UFA is probably the best option available. But I'm skeptical they have the money for that.

Maybe POJ and a 2024 1st for Grzelcyk and Ullmark and then sign Mayfield in UFA? Plan/hope that Smith progresses enough to take the 2nd pair LD role with Mayfield after Grzelcyk walks.

Think the money's there if they move Petry without taking much cap back (or it's taken back in the forwards).

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Holy f***!! We got a good 5v5 player boys

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Well that ain't a bad pick up. It's no 32pt Ross Colton though.

 

[TimmyD]

Smith to the Pens for a 3rd. Alright Dubas!

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

Solid pick up if true.