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Big Friggin Dummy

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I'm not tryin' to make light of Poulin's struggles off the ice. I just never thought he was much of anything as a prospect, and he's gonna need a lot of time to get back up to speed--whatever that speed may be (AHL fodder, I'd guess).
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
I don't actually. Hell I wasn't even born there. Only consider it my home.

It's actually a gorgeous state that would probably be talked about like the Colorado of the east coast if they could ever get their backwards-ass shit together. But they won't. Also hillbillies are way cooler than rednecks. And yes there is a big difference.
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And if Dubas makes every decision right we'll win the cup.'

Although where do you live these days then?
 
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He's going to need at least half of a season in the AHL to get up to speed again.
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This is more of what I’m thinking… I’m not saying right out of the gate, but I’m thinking they may now ultimately look at him as a better fit as a 3rd liner rather than a 2nd line wing.
 

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I agree that slotting him as the 3C is quite a reach at this point but I find the opposite is true in life. Instead of coddling him like a wounded puppy, put a task in front of him and see if he can rise to the occasion.
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I agree the best thing for Poulin is to offer him a task and to help him to reach it.

The best thing for the Pens is to make that task crushing the AHL and seeing where things go from there.

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This is more of what I’m thinking… I’m not saying right out of the gate, but I’m thinking they may now ultimately look at him as a better fit as a 3rd liner rather than a 2nd line wing.
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It'll be interesting to see if Dubas has different opinions but last year's org deffo saw him as a C not a W, which changes a lot.

Tbh if his brain chemistry co-operates I still think he could be a top six guy down the line. His development has been rough and non-linear but guys with his talents still break out late often enough. I think he's got the size/vision/skill combo to top out there if he keeps making possible improvements and he doesn't let his skating drag him down. But the inn is kinda full there for a few more years at C.
 
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Really like what I’m seeing from Dubas, league is playing checkers while he’s playing 4d chess
 
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The worst part about Granlund is you can see him trying really hard but he still sucks.

At least with Carter half the time he sucks is because he just doesn't give a f*** any more. Granlund gives you everything he has and it's still a big fat nothing.
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The worst part about Granlund is.
 
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The pens have been AWFUL at the draft for a VERY long time now. I have ZERO expectations on pickering
 
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The worst part about Granlund is you can see him trying really hard but he still sucks.

At least with Carter half the time he sucks is because he just doesn't give a f*** any more. Granlund gives you everything he has and it's still a big fat nothing.
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Yeah effort is clearly not the problem there. Which makes me doubly wonder what in the hell people are thinking when they want to just roll with him next season. He's f***in' cooked.
 
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Tbh I think both Carter and Granlund could give you good seasons next year with workloads that don't kill their legs, and guys around them who can do a lot of the skating, and with a better atmosphere. Granlund got an absolutely stupid amount of minutes in Nashville, rest and a lesser workload could help him a lot.

I just don't think they'll play to their cap hits and we don't really have the bargain players to insulate that.

Also the atmosphere thing counts for a lot. I think that team knew they weren't doing dick and didn't see the point of killing themselves over it after a bit.

Thinking about it, that's the one thing I like most about the Hellebuyck idea. It's a shot of morale looking at a goalie that'll always give you a chance and a front office that believes in you. They need that as much as anything.
 
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Tbh I think both Carter and Granlund could give you good seasons next year with workloads that don't kill their legs, and guys around them who can do a lot of the skating, and with a better atmosphere. Granlund got an absolutely stupid amount of minutes in Nashville, rest and a lesser workload could help him a lot.

I just don't think they'll play to their cap hits and we don't really have the bargain players to insulate that.

Also the atmosphere thing counts for a lot. I think that team knew they weren't doing dick and didn't see the point of killing themselves over it after a bit.

Thinking about it, that's the one thing I like most about the Hellebuyck idea. It's a shot of morale looking at a goalie that'll always give you a chance and a front office that believes in you. They need that as much as anything.
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I don't think there's a scenario where either helps us.

The best I can say is maybe Granlund can not hurt us. But he won't be a help either. At best he'll be a Brock McGinn or Teddy Blueger where he won't do shit but he's not exactly killing you out there either.

Carter is gonna hurt us whether he plays 5 minutes or the Sullivan mandated 15
 
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I just don't think they'll play to their cap hits and we don't really have the bargain players to insulate that.
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Yeah that's the big thing. I agree that you could get passable seasons out of both if you really accommodated them. But the team already has one guy in Carter they have to do that with. Granlund isn't cemented to the roster like he is in regards to asinine trade clauses so I don't see the point.

I mean unless the cost to move him on is extremely prohibitive. But that's what buyouts are for. Even if I cringe at buyouts.
 
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Just remembering that night Bryan Rust got 26 minutes of ice time and Jake Guentzel didn't score a 5v5 goal in like 23 games. Jesus, last year was miserable.
 
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I think Granlund could collect worthless points for some shit team that puts him in an elevated position and gives him a ton of PP time. But he's just a nothingmancer. He needs PP time to get his points, as evidenced by like 35% of his production coming with the man advantage in Nashville (on a team with two 40+ goal guys in Duchene and Forsberg and a 100pt d-man in Josi last year). He's not a good skater, he's not good defensively, he's not physical, he's not a shot blocker, he's got an okay pass, he's got a bad shot which he never uses, and his contract sucks--both AAV and term. What a stupendous target to trade for. :laugh:

-edit- It's also cool that this team's got a Timo Meier's worth of essentially dead cap with essentially unmovable (or at the very least unattractive) pieces. Sick work, Hextall.
 

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I think Granlund could collect worthless points for some shit team that puts him in an elevated position and gives him a ton of PP time. But he's just a nothingmancer. He needs PP time to get his points, as evidenced by like 35% of his production coming with the man advantage in Nashville (on a team with two 40+ goal guys in Duchene and Forsberg and a 100pt d-man in Josi last year). He's not a good skater, he's not good defensively, he's not physical, he's not a shot blocker, he's got an okay pass, he's got a bad shot which he never uses, and his contract sucks--both AAV and term. What a stupendous target to trade for. :laugh:
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The other problem with him is the main thing he did alright with here - his defensive impacts - was something he was much worse at in Nashville.

In other words, some regression might be expected there.

The good news is I doubt he scores at the pitiful rate he did even if Sullivan buries him in the bottom six. He's not that good any more but he's not quite that bad.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Yeah effort is clearly not the problem there. Which makes me doubly wonder what in the hell people are thinking when they want to just roll with him next season. He's f***in' cooked.
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Our top 6 spot for a soff perimeter winger who wilts down the stretch is already taken by Rust, so yah, they need rid of Granlund.

It sure seems like Dubas is just trying to trade our garbage. Granlund might be trade-able, but only after teams strike out on guys in FA. At which point you can't buy him out.

I certainly hope the plan is to buy out Granlund on Friday if they can't trade him now. This roster needs a pretty big reshape, and the work needs to get started here. If Dubas thinks he's going to build an entire bottom 6 and get a 2nd pairing and a starting goalie in FA, it's going to be a long couple years.
 
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Pancakes said:
The other problem with him is the main thing he did alright with here - his defensive impacts - was something he was much worse at in Nashville.

In other words, some regression might be expected there.

The good news is I doubt he scores at the pitiful rate he did even if Sullivan buries him in the bottom six. He's not that good any more but he's not quite that bad.
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Well the bar is roughly set at Challenger Deep so hey he can only go up from there.
 
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