Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Turin]

Might be able to totally fleece Vancouver for Pettersson with how things are going there defensively.

 

[Ryder71]

Might be able to totally fleece Vancouver for Pettersson with how things are going there defensively.

After seeing that debacle today I was thinking the same thing!

 

[eXile3]

I don’t. We already have two shitty former Predators. Rather not collect a third.

He’s not particularly fast either. I think we got enough of those guys in the org right now.

 

[Peat]

shockingly, I think people misunderstood the point of my question.

I'm not interested in being a buyer. I'd prefer to continue to sell and just tank. But if we're in or near a playoff position in a month (like if we're within 3 points a month from now), I do not see a way this organization doesn't do something for the core who stayed.

Last year, when they traded Guentzel, it came under two different conditions that aren't currently present with this roster: 1) Dubas told his camp negotiate now or get traded and 2) it came a week after Dubas said, "if you want me to be a buyer, win, if you want me to sell, lose" and the team went winless (or something similar). If we're still in it and not absolutely sucking shit, I think they'll try to keep the vets happy. Rather than waste real assets on real players, wasting a 3rd or 4th on Zucker, to me, seems more-palatable. And even then, I still hope they sell MP.

But I'm not sitting here going "ALL-IN!" or being entirely-enthused about our post season prospects. But if we HAVE to go shopping, where are we comfortable shopping at? That's all I was asking.

I agree with the premise.

If they're at this sort of spot, around the wildcard, I'm okay with them grabbing cheap veterans like Zucker while also moving out guys with value.

If they're better, I am potentially okay with keeping some expiring guys, and maybe trying hard to grab some long term additions

 

[SEALBound]

Damn, Parssinen for a 27 3rd and a AHL nobody. I would like to have done that.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

We need a more established winger for the Malkin line. Or else Sullivan will not play him there.

We have seen this movie before.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

We need a more established winger for the Malkin line. Or else Sullivan will not play him there.

We have seen this movie before.

Yeah but what if they had to give up a third round pick to do it? What then?

That could be Jake Guentzel. Why do you want to just give away the next Jake Guentzel you monster?

 

[Ryder71]

Damn, Parssinen for a 27 3rd and a AHL nobody. I would like to have done that.

Definitely a buy low scenario, however I'm not sure it really would move the needle much. Based on the little info I have on the guy I probably would have done so. And because we are likely lower in the standings (even in '27) and out of conference Nashville would very likely preferred it with us. Maybe it would block Broz or some such player. Not a huge deal one way or the other.

 

[Gurglesons]

Definitely a buy low scenario, however I'm not sure it really would move the needle much. Based on the little info I have on the guy I probably would have done so. And because we are likely lower in the standings (even in '27) and out of conference Nashville would very likely preferred it with us. Maybe it would block Broz or some such player. Not a huge deal one way or the other.

Sullivan will block Broz on his own.

 

[Ryder71]

Sullivan will block Broz on his own.

Why didn't he block Pickering? Playing a 20 yr old defensemen who missed two TC's in a row? I'm shocked he let him play. And especially because defensemen typically take longer to develop.

 

[Gurglesons]

Why didn't he block Pickering? Playing a 20 yr old defensemen who missed two TC's in a row? I'm shocked he let him play. And especially because defensemen typically take longer to develop.

Couldn't.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Every single offseason that whatever GM is currently under Mike Sullivan's employ inks a gaggle of plugs at forward because they are "vet PKers" that "play the right way" and half of you stoically nod your heads and talk about what a smart little signings they are (that ultimately add up to like 6+ million in cap) I shed a tear for past and future Broz's.

EDIT: and moving ahead truly awful, AHL level players on toxic contracts so long as they come with some crapass pick, evidently.

 

[Ryder71]

Couldn't.

Why not?

That's a silly response. He's the coach, if he can block other guys he can most certainly block a 20 yr old defensemen.

 

[Khelandros]

Tangradi only 35, and this team could use that youthful energy. Dubas should find out what he’s up too.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Every single offseason that whatever GM is currently under Mike Sullivan's employ inks a gaggle of plugs at forward because they are "vet PKers" that "play the right way" and half of you stoically nod your heads and talk about what a smart little signings they are (that ultimately add up to like 6+ million in cap) I shed a tear for past and future Broz's.

EDIT: and moving ahead truly awful, AHL level players on toxic contracts so long as they come with some crapass pick, evidently.

I think this is a bigger factor. I don't think guys like Acciari and Nieto are "blocking" guys like Broz because they serve 2 different roles. However, guys like Glass, Hayes and Beauvillier are blocking guys like Broz because Broz would actually be playing in those roles. Basically you aren't going to be playing Broz on L4, so the guys blocking Broz are the guys playing on L3 or above.

That said, I don't mind gambling on those guys as long as the plan isn't to keep them long-term and cycle them out when guys like Broz are ready.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I understand that the Pens' #1 goal now is to add assets to the pool, but if remaining somewhat competitive during the Crosby era is still one of their priorities and Kreider can be had for pennies on the dollar then that's something the Pens should explore.

He had 39 goals last year - 2nd best total of his career. Brings size, speed, and net front presence the team sorely needs, and he'd immediately become the team's best winger. 6.5 mil per for the next 2 years is very doable.

Tiny sample size this year of underperformance...and he's still on pace for 29 goals.

 

[SEALBound]

I understand that the Pens' #1 goal now is to add assets to the pool, but if remaining somewhat competitive during the Crosby era is still one of their priorities and Kreider can be had for pennies on the dollar then that's something the Pens should explore.

He had 39 goals last year - 2nd best total of his career. Brings size, speed, and net front presence the team sorely needs, and he'd immediately become the team's best winger. 6.5 mil per for the next 2 years is very doable.

Tiny sample size this year of underperformance...and he's still on pace for 29 goals.

Interesting premise. While I do think the Rangers want to move Kreider, I don't think he's in cap dump territory. Maybe low cost territory though.

Kreider+Othmann+1st for Pettersson @50%+Bunting+Koivunen

Might be something to explore. Bunting gives them a Kreider-lite at a reduced cost, Pettersson solidifies their defense, Koivunen replaces Othmann (and honestly, the two are fairly comparable). Neutral cap trade and we get a payment for taking on additional years of Kreider.

Rakell-Sid-Rust
Kreider-Malkin-Tomasino

If Kreider comes with a chip on his shoulder, it might be okay.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I will continue to repeat my belief that a serious Penguins team needs 3 new forwards.

I will continue to repeat my belief that a serious Penguins team needs to resign or replace Pettersson on D and move out a goaltender to make room for Blomqvist long before any more forwards come into the org. We have internal options there. I only want a forward now if it's a Phil Kessel level impact player and it's too early for that given our other problems.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Drew O’ConnZAR

DOC as the 4LW instead of Nieto would be a vast improvement.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I understand that the Pens' #1 goal now is to add assets to the pool, but if remaining somewhat competitive during the Crosby era is still one of their priorities and Kreider can be had for pennies on the dollar then that's something the Pens should explore.

He had 39 goals last year - 2nd best total of his career. Brings size, speed, and net front presence the team sorely needs, and he'd immediately become the team's best winger. 6.5 mil per for the next 2 years is very doable.

Tiny sample size this year of underperformance...and he's still on pace for 29 goals.

Interesting premise. While I do think the Rangers want to move Kreider, I don't think he's in cap dump territory. Maybe low cost territory though.

Kreider+Othmann+1st for Pettersson @50%+Bunting+Koivunen

Might be something to explore. Bunting gives them a Kreider-lite at a reduced cost, Pettersson solidifies their defense, Koivunen replaces Othmann (and honestly, the two are fairly comparable). Neutral cap trade and we get a payment for taking on additional years of Kreider.

Rakell-Sid-Rust
Kreider-Malkin-Tomasino

If Kreider comes with a chip on his shoulder, it might be okay.

I could be sold on Kreider depending on the cost. And at the very least you could flip him in a few TDLs to a contender.

Would like to get a d-man from them too.

 

[Ryder71]

Interesting premise. While I do think the Rangers want to move Kreider, I don't think he's in cap dump territory. Maybe low cost territory though.

Kreider+Othmann+1st for Pettersson @50%+Bunting+Koivunen

Might be something to explore. Bunting gives them a Kreider-lite at a reduced cost, Pettersson solidifies their defense, Koivunen replaces Othmann (and honestly, the two are fairly comparable). Neutral cap trade and we get a payment for taking on additional years of Kreider.

Rakell-Sid-Rust
Kreider-Malkin-Tomasino

If Kreider comes with a chip on his shoulder, it might be okay.

I seriously doubt the Rags would deal with us. They'd buy from us, not necessarily sell. Especially with a guy like Kreider and in a deal like that. Also, they aren't giving up a 1st considering they aren't likely to make the playoffs.

Bunting has been very good, no reason to trade him. He's also a lower cap hit and five years younger than CK.

 

[pistolpete11]

Interesting premise. While I do think the Rangers want to move Kreider, I don't think he's in cap dump territory. Maybe low cost territory though.

Kreider+Othmann+1st for Pettersson @50%+Bunting+Koivunen

Might be something to explore. Bunting gives them a Kreider-lite at a reduced cost, Pettersson solidifies their defense, Koivunen replaces Othmann (and honestly, the two are fairly comparable). Neutral cap trade and we get a payment for taking on additional years of Kreider.

Rakell-Sid-Rust
Kreider-Malkin-Tomasino

If Kreider comes with a chip on his shoulder, it might be okay.

If the goal is to give Sid and Geno a better shot at the playoffs, I think giving up Bunting to get Kreider is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I am generally against robbing guys named Peter.

I don't see the Rangers being enticed by a UFA like Pettersson either.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Kreider's contract is awful and I'd only be trading for him if he costs nothing or is dirt cheap. I'm not trading any of Pettersson, Bunting or a notable prospect for him. He's about to turn 34, signed for multiple years at $6.5 million and is on pace for 32 points this year. Kreider is closer to someone that the Rangers will have to pay to get rid of than someone to spend actual assets on.

I understand that the Pens' #1 goal now is to add assets to the pool, but if remaining somewhat competitive during the Crosby era is still one of their priorities and Kreider can be had for pennies on the dollar then that's something the Pens should explore.

He had 39 goals last year - 2nd best total of his career. Brings size, speed, and net front presence the team sorely needs, and he'd immediately become the team's best winger. 6.5 mil per for the next 2 years is very doable.

Tiny sample size this year of underperformance...and he's still on pace for 29 goals.

Kreider has 11 points this year. O'Connor has 10 points.

Kreider only has 3 5v5 points in 31 games this year.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'd take Kreider if the Rangers pay.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd take Kreider if the Rangers pay.

Yeah basically where I'm at. Either have the cost be nothing or have the Rangers be paying for it. The dude is having a horrid season that is way beyond any level that the Penguins should be willing to trade assets for.