Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[McGroarty2]

Pickering to IR, Clurman recalled.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

 

[SEALBound]

I don't see what Miller does for the organization as a whole. Sure, some improvement this year but he's 31 and on a long term contract. Once this core is gone, they need to get bad. Like bad, 2-3 top 5 with one being a 1ov pick type of bad. They can't afford to let guys like Miller keep them in the 20-25th finish purgatory.

Yeah I still don't get why they traded Eller. Maybe it was something in the room with him?. He was the best player in half the games he played for us. That’s not saying much, but usually you trade a guy who is doing less.

Dubas said that they had been looking to trade him since last spring and the asking price was finally met. Personally, I think Eller was playing better than the return he got but they got what they wanted. Dubas also said they wanted the roster spot for others which I imagine meant Lizotte.

The only nice part about Eller was that his level of play was allowing us to put Malkin with Sid which boosted both. Now, we have a clear gap at 2C that can't be adequately filled by anyone. Fine as long as both Sid and Geno stay healthy but if one goes down, it's 1 line and 3 4th lines.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I don't see what Miller does for the organization as a whole. Sure, some improvement this year but he's 31 and on a long term contract. Once this core is gone, they need to get bad. Like bad, 2-3 top 5 with one being a 1ov pick type of bad. They can't afford to let guys like Miller keep them in the 20-25th finish purgatory.


Dubas said that they had been looking to trade him since last spring and the asking price was finally met. Personally, I think Eller was playing better than the return he got but they got what they wanted. Dubas also said they wanted the roster spot for others which I imagine meant Lizotte.

The only nice part about Eller was that his level of play was allowing us to put Malkin with Sid which boosted both. Now, we have a clear gap at 2C that can't be adequately filled by anyone. Fine as long as both Sid and Geno stay healthy but if one goes down, it's 1 line and 3 4th lines.

I got the Eller trade from an objective point of view: selling an expiring asset and creating a spot for someone else.

What I don't get is getting rid of a player who has shown he doesn't quit and he always competes. He even questions his teammates' efforts You'd think that would count for something?

IDK...there were probably 5 other dudes I'd get rid of before Eller, either taking a 7th round draft pick, future considerations, or outright waiving the them.

But I don't wear glasses so I'm obviously not as smart as Dubas

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think it came out later that the Penguins traded Eller in part because Eller wanted out, or maybe not explicitly "wanted out" but he did want to play for a contender. I think it was a Friedman note in a 32 thoughts article, the deal was also about doing a solid for Eller. They don't really need him anymore with how Lizotte is playing, but you can't deny that their bottom-6 would be sitting better with Lizotte and Eller as their bottom-6 centers.

That said, they were going to either trade him in November or trade him in March, so I don't think it makes that much of a difference. I want to clear out spots for guys like Ponomarev and Poulin to play in the NHL, and keeping Eller until March isn't doing that.

 

[SEALBound]

I got the Eller trade from an objective point of view: selling an expiring asset and creating a spot for someone else.

What I don't get is getting rid of a player who has shown he doesn't quit and he always competes. He even questions his teammates' efforts You'd think that would count for something?

IDK...there were probably 5 other dudes I'd get rid of before Eller, either taking a 7th round draft pick, future considerations, or outright waiving the them.

But I don't wear glasses so I'm obviously not as smart as Dubas

Agreed. I mean, I would have got rid of Nieto, Hayes, Acciari, and even possibly Puustinen or Poulin before Eller but at the same time, none of them have the value that Eller had. At the moment, Acciari might have the most value of them all and I think his value is right around a 5th or so.

 

[Peat]

This team's clear objectives this season are generate asset value (without doing a full tear down) and get young guys into the team. Winning comes third. If it came first, trading Eller would make no sense. Giving the order we got, it made all the sense in the world.

 

[Andy99]

This team's clear objectives this season are generate asset value (without doing a full tear down) and get young guys into the team. Winning comes third. If it came first, trading Eller would make no sense. Giving the order we got, it made all the sense in the world.

How the second objective going with Sullivan still here…lol

 

[McGroarty2]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

JT

 

[Ryder71]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

McDavid.

 

[Duffy13]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

Yakupov

 

[Zbynek]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

Kreider?

 

[Ulf5]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

Flower.

 

[Turin]

Flower.

I know its meme worthy but honestly if the Pens acquired Fleury for his final few months of pro hockey they would play really inspired hockey.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

Zach Benson, you are a Pittsburgh Penguin.

 

[DesertPenguin]

All seriousness, who's that 3rd pairing youngish defensive LD that's logjammed and needs a chance to play top 4 minutes? Find me Pettersson from the year we traded Sprong for him.

 

[McGroarty2]

All seriousness, who's that 3rd pairing youngish defensive LD that's logjammed and needs a chance to play top 4 minutes? Find me Pettersson from the year we traded Sprong for him.

Hague from Vegas?

 

[Speaker City]

All seriousness, who's that 3rd pairing youngish defensive LD that's logjammed and needs a chance to play top 4 minutes? Find me Pettersson from the year we traded Sprong for him.

Byram?

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Since Kyle likes acquiring former first round picks, who do we think is next?

40th overall pick, but Hoglander is my guess. Tocchet doesn't like him and his ice time is on the decline. We got the Allvin connection.
He's 24 with a fairly reasonable contract that kicks in after this one. Seems to fit what Dubas is trying to do.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

JT

McDavid.

Yakupov

Kreider?

Flower.

I know its meme worthy but honestly if the Pens acquired Fleury for his final few months of pro hockey they would play really inspired hockey.

Zach Benson, you are a Pittsburgh Penguin.

40th overall pick, but Hoglander is my guess. Tocchet doesn't like him and his ice time is on the decline. We got the Allvin connection.
He's 24 with a fairly reasonable contract that kicks in after this one. Seems to fit what Dubas is trying to do.

I forget what I was doing specifically, but I was looking at hockey stats and came across Lias Andersson which is what sparked my question. Cozens might be a "dark-horse" candidate.


Former 1st rounders acquired by Kyle and on this roster:

Puljujarvi
Hayes
Beauvillier
Glass
Tomasino
Karlsson
POJ

Did I miss anyone?

 

[SEALBound]

40th overall pick, but Hoglander is my guess. Tocchet doesn't like him and his ice time is on the decline. We got the Allvin connection.
He's 24 with a fairly reasonable contract that kicks in after this one. Seems to fit what Dubas is trying to do.

If you asked me a month ago, I would have this was all but inevitable. Until...someone pointed out that Tocchet and Sullivan are still good friends and talk a lot. I think if Tocchet doesn't like Hoglander, then Sullivan likely won't. And it's a damn shame too because I think that kid is a good buy low candidate. I'm waiting for a team like Washington to pick him up and see him explode.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

The Penguins could win every game from now until then trade deadline. Even then, I think it would be a really foolish move not to trade MP.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Penguins could win every game from now until then trade deadline. Even then, I think it would be a really foolish move not to trade MP.

Honestly with POJ and Letang meshing pretty well as a pair, I don't know why they can't just run with POJ-Letang and Pickering-Karlsson going forward. This team isn't a playoff team anymore so the requirements are lower, but I don't really see an issue with sticking with that going forward.

 

[SEALBound]

The Penguins could win every game from now until then trade deadline. Even then, I think it would be a really foolish move not to trade MP.

I think he's gone 100% and it has nothing to do with team record or performance. You can't keep MP.

Best case, you can target a team with a 3rd pairing capable guy like Pettersson/Mynio from Vancouver or Robertson from NYR. A left side of Pickering, POJ, Pettersson/Mynio, Graves is fine for where this team is going.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

MP has done some good things here. I'm not trying to crap on the guy.

But like... yeah... what would be the point in keeping him really? He is the definition of luxury piece. He doesn't do enough to be essential. He isn't bad enough to be a hindrance. He's like that last piece some team adds to like their third pairing to have some crazy depth on their blueline. I honestly don't think this team loses a ton with him on the way out even if we are to actually believe the Penguins are back on track as a playoff team.

Something based on MP for some punch up front or using whatever MP returns to help facilitate that would be preferable.