Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Turin]

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What are thoughts on JT Miller? Could he be acquired to play 2C with Malkin moving to wing? Pettersson and Bunting going back the other way would work cap wise. Not sure what else would have to be added.

Rakell Crosby Rust
Malkin Miller Tomasino
O'Connor Glass Puljujarvi
Nieto Lizotte Acciari
Hayes, Beauvilier

Pickering Karlsson
Joseph Letang
Graves Grzelcyk
Shea

Im a fan of Millers game when he’s not being a pouty wiener but I just don’t see the timeline clicking.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

If we're being honest Dubas has made a lot of solid incremental moves here. Bringing in Lizotte, trading Eller, getting Tomasino for a 4th, promoting Pickering. Certainly these decisions haven't wowed us. But he is extracting good value and slowly building up the prospect pool without completely leaving the Dinosaurs to die. I prefer he burn it down, but he's doing a nice job in making this team better at the NHL level, well, all levels really. The only way however to get the wow factor most likely is to get a top five pick. Guess we'll have to look to next season and beyond for that.

He has been hit or miss, really. Lots of good moves, but also some bad. Tonight, Hayes and Graves look like they will both be scratched. That is invaluable cap space we cannot have back. AND, his head coach is not helping his job at all. In fact, Sullivan has made Dubas's plan that much harder to implement.

But Hayes was a disastrous move that was never going to pan out. Beauvillier was a bad signing. And I still think he MUST trade a goaltender.

The next move Dubas makes might be the defining one for this season (and possibly beyond).

 

[Empoleon8771]

The complaining about Beauvillier on HFPens makes no sense to me. He's 4th on the team in goals and he's making like $1 million. I don't want him playing with Crosby but as a secondary scorer he's done entirely fine this year.

 

[Ryder71]

He has been hit or miss, really. Lots of good moves, but also some bad. Tonight, Hayes and Graves look like they will both be scratched. That is invaluable cap space we cannot have back. AND, his head coach is not helping his job at all. In fact, Sullivan has made Dubas's plan that much harder to implement.

But Hayes was a disastrous move that was never going to pan out. Beauvillier was a bad signing. And I still think he MUST trade a goaltender.

The next move Dubas makes might be the defining one for this season (and possibly beyond).

What did we get back for Hayes, a couple picks?

 

[Empoleon8771]

What did we get back for Hayes, a couple picks?

Yeah they took on Hayes and got a 2nd and 3rd out of it.

 

[SEALBound]

Honestly the guy I like from Providence is Poitras. Made the NHL last yera as a 19 year old and had a decent season (15 points in 33 games), but really struggled this year and got demoted back to the AHL where he's doing well.

I can't imagine the Bruins would be interested in trading him, though.

Yeah, Providence is a little tough because the only two guys that would make sense to look at there is Poitras and Lysell but as you said, I'm not sure what either does for us and I'm not sure what realistic trade there is to be made with the Bruins. If Boston moves Zadorov to Vancouver, Boston may be interested in Pettersson but that's wild speculation.

I would have to guess there's a focus right now on gauging realistic trade targets for Pettersson.

I think the more likely situation is that they are scouting Hartford and looking at Matthew Robertson. He is a former 2nd round pick in 2019, 6'4, 210, and is a hell of a skater, though he plays a very "defense-first" low-event brand of hockey that I could see them being interested in for Pettersson. There were lots of predictions that he was going to be the 3rd pairing LD this season, but it never materialized. Been maturing in the AHL for 4 years so we could be looking at a Dumoulin-like trajectory. I could see the Rangers having a legit interest in Pettersson so it's possible.

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Hartford also has Adam Sykora but I can't see them trading him.

 

[Ryder71]

Yeah they took on Hayes and got a 2nd and 3rd out of it.

I think considering where this team is that's a perfectly reasonable return.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I think considering where this team is that's a perfectly reasonable return.

Gotta keep in mind he has an extra year still.
So it's 7M cap space for a 2nd and 3rd. I can live with that.

 

[Ulf5]

Who said they are tanking?

-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.

 

[Ryder71]

Gotta keep in mind he has an extra year still.
So it's 7M cap space for a 2nd and 3rd. I can live with that.

When he made that deal I'm sure rebuild was on the forefront of this decision so it made perfect sense. And regardless of this current run we're not a serious contender.

 

[Ryder71]

-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.

Getting assets for Eller on a non contender is perfectly acceptable. Letting Blomqvist get the bulk of minutes down in WB isn't a problem either. This team isn't going anywhere so these moves really don't damage anything. And we're still accruing young guys, picks and prospects.

 

[Ulf5]

Getting assets for Eller on a non contender is perfectly acceptable. Letting Blomqvist get the bulk of minutes down in WB isn't a problem either. This team isn't going anywhere so these moves really don't damage anything. And we're still accruing young guys, picks and prospects.

Which none of make the current team as competitive as it could be with the current roster. So while it might not a full-court tank, it's a half-assed tank in disguise.
And don't had me no bs on Blomqvist is better off in the A where's he's not subject to the horrible D. Plenty of 300 game winning goalies got absolutely lambasted
early in their careers.

 

[Ryder71]

Which none of make the current team as competitive as it could be with the current roster. So while it might not a full-court tank, it's a half-assed tank in disguise.

Meh, I think this hot streak might be a facade, maybe not. But you can't look at this team on paper or prior to the season and believe they weren't anything but a lottery team. They're playing much better of late, but even then there are significant flaws with this team. We'll see how long they keep this recent trend up.

 

[Ryder71]

And don't had me no bs on Blomqvist is better off in the A where's he's not subject to the horrible D. Plenty of 300 game winning goalies got absolutely lambastedearly in their careers.

That's not why I want him in the minors. We have enough goalies. And until we move one, bringing him up doesn't make much sense. Bringing him up does what exactly? Having three goalies here serves the team how?

 

[eXile3]

-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.

I feel like you’re missing a big one? Traded a guy who’s about to score around 50 goals?

The second they did that it was over. You don’t trade that kind of talent if you’re trying to win.

 

[Ulf5]

I feel like you’re missing a big one? Traded a guy who’s about to score around 50 goals?

The second they did that it was over. You don’t trade that kind of talent if you’re trying to win.

Was strictly referring this season's roster. We'll never know Jake's true intentions, if he was serious in re-signing here. But Dubas' actions were rather clear.

 

[SEALBound]

It's okay Geno, you'll get another one.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Is this the place I can complain about Beauvillier?

 

[Ulf5]

Is this the place I can complain about Belliveau?

Since he's part of the salary cap- foshizzle

 

[Factorial]

-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.

Tanking would have been not signing Sid this last off season and trying to trade Geno, Letang, and EK.

 

[Ulf5]

Tanking would have been not signing Sid this last off season and trying to trade Geno, Letang, and EK.

That's not going to happen unless they request it. And Sid isn't requesting shit. And Geno and Tang probably aren't if Sid isn't.
So just because your scenario didn't happen doesn't mean it's not a tank. Might not be a full blown tank.

 

[canadianguy77]

Yeah I still don't get why they traded Eller. Maybe it was something in the room with him?. He was the best player in half the games he played for us. That’s not saying much, but usually you trade a guy who is doing less.

 

[Ryder71]

Yeah I still don't get why they traded Eller. Maybe it was something in the room with him?. He was the best player in half the games he played for us. That’s not saying much, but usually you trade a guy who is doing less.

Because we got draft picks? And since we're going nowhere why not?