Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

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What are thoughts on JT Miller? Could he be acquired to play 2C with Malkin moving to wing? Pettersson and Bunting going back the other way would work cap wise. Not sure what else would have to be added.

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Malkin Miller Tomasino
O'Connor Glass Puljujarvi
Nieto Lizotte Acciari
Hayes, Beauvilier

Pickering Karlsson
Joseph Letang
Graves Grzelcyk
Shea
Im a fan of Millers game when he’s not being a pouty wiener but I just don’t see the timeline clicking.
 

Jag68Sid87

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If we're being honest Dubas has made a lot of solid incremental moves here. Bringing in Lizotte, trading Eller, getting Tomasino for a 4th, promoting Pickering. Certainly these decisions haven't wowed us. But he is extracting good value and slowly building up the prospect pool without completely leaving the Dinosaurs to die. I prefer he burn it down, but he's doing a nice job in making this team better at the NHL level, well, all levels really. The only way however to get the wow factor most likely is to get a top five pick. Guess we'll have to look to next season and beyond for that.
He has been hit or miss, really. Lots of good moves, but also some bad. Tonight, Hayes and Graves look like they will both be scratched. That is invaluable cap space we cannot have back. AND, his head coach is not helping his job at all. In fact, Sullivan has made Dubas's plan that much harder to implement.

But Hayes was a disastrous move that was never going to pan out. Beauvillier was a bad signing. And I still think he MUST trade a goaltender.

The next move Dubas makes might be the defining one for this season (and possibly beyond).
 

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The complaining about Beauvillier on HFPens makes no sense to me. He's 4th on the team in goals and he's making like $1 million. I don't want him playing with Crosby but as a secondary scorer he's done entirely fine this year.
 

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He has been hit or miss, really. Lots of good moves, but also some bad. Tonight, Hayes and Graves look like they will both be scratched. That is invaluable cap space we cannot have back. AND, his head coach is not helping his job at all. In fact, Sullivan has made Dubas's plan that much harder to implement.

But Hayes was a disastrous move that was never going to pan out. Beauvillier was a bad signing. And I still think he MUST trade a goaltender.

The next move Dubas makes might be the defining one for this season (and possibly beyond).
What did we get back for Hayes, a couple picks?
 

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Honestly the guy I like from Providence is Poitras. Made the NHL last yera as a 19 year old and had a decent season (15 points in 33 games), but really struggled this year and got demoted back to the AHL where he's doing well.

I can't imagine the Bruins would be interested in trading him, though.
Yeah, Providence is a little tough because the only two guys that would make sense to look at there is Poitras and Lysell but as you said, I'm not sure what either does for us and I'm not sure what realistic trade there is to be made with the Bruins. If Boston moves Zadorov to Vancouver, Boston may be interested in Pettersson but that's wild speculation.

I would have to guess there's a focus right now on gauging realistic trade targets for Pettersson.

I think the more likely situation is that they are scouting Hartford and looking at Matthew Robertson. He is a former 2nd round pick in 2019, 6'4, 210, and is a hell of a skater, though he plays a very "defense-first" low-event brand of hockey that I could see them being interested in for Pettersson. There were lots of predictions that he was going to be the 3rd pairing LD this season, but it never materialized. Been maturing in the AHL for 4 years so we could be looking at a Dumoulin-like trajectory. I could see the Rangers having a legit interest in Pettersson so it's possible.


Hartford also has Adam Sykora but I can't see them trading him.
 
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Ulf5

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Who said they are tanking?
-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.
 
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Ryder71

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Gotta keep in mind he has an extra year still.
So it's 7M cap space for a 2nd and 3rd. I can live with that.
When he made that deal I'm sure rebuild was on the forefront of this decision so it made perfect sense. And regardless of this current run we're not a serious contender.
 

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-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.
Getting assets for Eller on a non contender is perfectly acceptable. Letting Blomqvist get the bulk of minutes down in WB isn't a problem either. This team isn't going anywhere so these moves really don't damage anything. And we're still accruing young guys, picks and prospects.
 

Ulf5

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Getting assets for Eller on a non contender is perfectly acceptable. Letting Blomqvist get the bulk of minutes down in WB isn't a problem either. This team isn't going anywhere so these moves really don't damage anything. And we're still accruing young guys, picks and prospects.
Which none of make the current team as competitive as it could be with the current roster. So while it might not a full-court tank, it's a half-assed tank in disguise.
And don't had me no bs on Blomqvist is better off in the A where's he's not subject to the horrible D. Plenty of 300 game winning goalies got absolutely lambasted
early in their careers.
 

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Which none of make the current team as competitive as it could be with the current roster. So while it might not a full-court tank, it's a half-assed tank in disguise.
Meh, I think this hot streak might be a facade, maybe not. But you can't look at this team on paper or prior to the season and believe they weren't anything but a lottery team. They're playing much better of late, but even then there are significant flaws with this team. We'll see how long they keep this recent trend up.
 

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And don't had me no bs on Blomqvist is better off in the A where's he's not subject to the horrible D. Plenty of 300 game winning goalies got absolutely lambastedearly in their careers.
That's not why I want him in the minors. We have enough goalies. And until we move one, bringing him up doesn't make much sense. Bringing him up does what exactly? Having three goalies here serves the team how?
 

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-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.
I feel like you’re missing a big one? Traded a guy who’s about to score around 50 goals?

The second they did that it was over. You don’t trade that kind of talent if you’re trying to win.
 
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Ulf5

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I feel like you’re missing a big one? Traded a guy who’s about to score around 50 goals?

The second they did that it was over. You don’t trade that kind of talent if you’re trying to win.
Was strictly referring this season's roster. We'll never know Jake's true intentions, if he was serious in re-signing here. But Dubas' actions were rather clear.
 

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-Wasted a roster spot on Hayes' carcass.
-Brought in empty calorie scorer Beauvillier who might not even be mid.
-Traded the team's only 3C for a scratch off.
-Keeps Jarry as on the roster through his lousy performances even though Blomqvist is the better option. (Though Jarry has somewhat improved since his reset)
-Didn't address the lack of D depth during the off-season. Or in season up to this point.

Tanking would have been not signing Sid this last off season and trying to trade Geno, Letang, and EK.
 

Ulf5

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Tanking would have been not signing Sid this last off season and trying to trade Geno, Letang, and EK.
That's not going to happen unless they request it. And Sid isn't requesting shit. And Geno and Tang probably aren't if Sid isn't.
So just because your scenario didn't happen doesn't mean it's not a tank. Might not be a full blown tank.
 

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Yeah I still don't get why they traded Eller. Maybe it was something in the room with him?. He was the best player in half the games he played for us. That’s not saying much, but usually you trade a guy who is doing less.
 

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Yeah I still don't get why they traded Eller. Maybe it was something in the room with him?. He was the best player in half the games he played for us. That’s not saying much, but usually you trade a guy who is doing less.
Because we got draft picks? And since we're going nowhere why not?
 

Jag68Sid87

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Hayes would have been fine if he was in the lineup. But when the coach scratches Hayes, Puljujarvi and Graves and keeps the likes of Beauvillier, Nieto and Shea in the lineup, that is when you know the GM's job is nigh impossible with this head coach. Dubas has acquired assets that have grossly depreciated under Sullivan. That is a problem. Hayes was the one that was easy to see, though. It was clear and obvious that he could not play anymore in this league last season in St. Louis. That is worth a first-round pick in 2026 or you hang up the phone and say good luck to Armstrong. Instead, we get a second and a third and are now stuck with a guy FROM MASSACHUSETTS that even Mike Sullivan does not like. Hard to do, folks.

So now what? We keep Hayes as the 13th forward and Graves as the 7th defenseman through NEXT SEASON (and beyond in the case of Graves)? Puljujarvi is easy. we can probably move him after the break for a seventh. That would be a mercy trade that I think we could all get behind (because Puljujarvi looks like a good dude and deserves to play in this league, somewhere).

I was behind Dubas with his dual plan of contending while rebuilding. In theory, it is what you SHOULD be doing, always. Tanking is a blatant disrespect to the fans that pay to see your team, and to the sport in general. That said, you have almost zero margin for error. And errors he has made. There are the blatant ones, but also those that are more arguable. Guentzel falls into that category in my opinion. I would have re-signed him, personally. The deal was not terrible in a vacuum, but what was Plan B after losing him? That is where Dubas loses me. Anthony Beauvillier has proven over and over again that he is AT BEST a fourth-liner at the NHL level. But we use him in the top 9 and have even wasted time with him on the first line. And this coach never scratches him. We are probably two top-six forwards away from doing any damage, so where are those two players going to come from? By the time Sullivan can trust a McGroarty or a Tomasino or someone else, we will probably need two more top-six forwards by then.

Dubas has done nothing to help this team contend during the rebuild, and that is the problem. Organically, we can hang around the fringes of contention just based on the quality of our top 5-6 players. But beyond that, we need more help.

If it were me faced with this daunting task, I would (taking into account that I know going in that I cannot fire the coaching staff):

- try to re-sign Pettersson and try to cash in on Grz's recent run. I think I can probably get a second-round pick in 2025 for Grz if dealt immediately. If not, I can either wait until the deadline (because of the current injury situation) or take a little less. If I cannot get a good deal to keep Pettersson, then and only then would I start looking to move him. But we need a solid left defender in return, plus a pick/prospect or two.

- trade Jarry A S A P. Ask Detroit to make me an offer. I would accept just about any deal that does not deplete the salary cap further. IF not Detroit, then maybe there is another team that might have interest somewhere. If there is not, and if you cannot come to an agreement with Detroit, then try to find a good deal for Ned.

- place Beauvillier and Nieto on waivers, assign them to W-B/S when they clear and call up two forwards. There are options. I would probably lean toward Koivunen and Ponomarev, but it could be McGroarty and Poulin. Or others.

- Trade Puljujarvi for a similar player and see if the next guy is a better fit for this coach. I have no idea whom that could be at this point. Arthur Kaliyev? Alexander Holtz?

- the last one is the tough one: try to land Mitch Marner next summer. Maybe this has been Dubas's plan all along. Maybe he has intel here. I don't know, but all of his moves would make way more sense if that were the case. It is a long shot, but there is more than a zero % chance imo. Gotta try.

Rakell-Crosby-Marner
McGroarty-Malkin-Rust
Bunting-Glass-Tomasino
Ponomarev-Lizotte-Acciari
Hayes

Pettersson-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Joseph-Brunicke
Graves

Nedeljkovic
Blomqvist


If that were our opening-night lineup in 2025-26, or a reasonable facsimile, there would be hope. As it stands now, things are bleak.
 

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