Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Gurglesons]

DOC is not a killer here at 875K. Also he can be an effective 3rd line guy with a coach who isn't benching players for not playing his "right' way. He won't bring back anything anyway. He is still young enough to be part of the rebuild. Sullivan goes after this year. He can be signed for a decent contract and still be better down the road.

I disagree. At minimum, I bet he gets us a 3rd. It sucks that his production has dried up this year, but he creates a ton on the ice and has turned himself into a solid defensive player.

 

[Ugene Magic]

He has four goals on the year and a 4.5 mil cap hit for this year and next. That would make no sense.

The youth has taken over.

 

[Gurglesons]

This is why you hold out hope DOC can start to score again and get his value back.

 

[chethejet]

he is 935K. But really they have picks up the kazzo in the third round. I just think there are more pressing needs here than DOC. I want a new coach next year with a more balanced approach to NHL hockey. Pens need a center eventually but even with trades after this year, a younger bigger faster team that can bring some physical play to the ice has to happen. DOC can be a nice banger with a decent shot as a LW and PK. He is one of many Sullivan has miss used for years.

 

[Gurglesons]

He has four goals on the year and a 4.5 mil cap hit for this year and next. That would make no sense.

Pump his value. Retain and get a pick for him next deadline.

 

[Ugene Magic]

This is why you hold out hope DOC can start to score again and get his value back.

he is 935K. But really they have picks up the kazzo in the third round. I just think there are more pressing needs here than DOC. I want a new coach next year with a more balanced approach to NHL hockey. Pens need a center eventually but even with trades after this year, a younger bigger faster team that can bring some physical play to the ice has to happen. DOC can be a nice banger with a decent shot as a LW and PK. He is one of many Sullivan has miss used for years.

This is why freebee undrafted players can't be trusted. Expectations are too high or trying to press those expectations to be higher. He's not the solution when they need Defacto top line contributors.

The Pens are beyond paying for legit young contributors costing major assets. So, the likes of Saad seems appealing because his contract falls in line with their window and a need for a top 6 LW.

 

[SEALBound]

there is no chance in hell that you are getting that level of prospect for DOC.

I disagree. At minimum, I bet he gets us a 3rd. It sucks that his production has dried up this year, but he creates a ton on the ice and has turned himself into a solid defensive player.

You're probably right.

I think we can get more than a 3rd though. If it's only a 3rd and he's willing to resign cheap, keep him. 2nd or more or part of a larger deal that gets you a larger return, yes. I'd be willing to bet a package of Pettersson and DOC brings back a 1st+, 100%.

 

[Ulf5]

He has four goals on the year and a 4.5 mil cap hit for this year and next. That would make no sense.

Pump his value. Retain and get a pick for him next deadline.

I think MP has enough value on his own without retention. And that value can be bumped higher by taking back someone like a Desharnais or Soucy. Or hopefully someone with an expiring contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

You're probably right.

I think we can get more than a 3rd though. If it's only a 3rd and he's willing to resign cheap, keep him. 2nd or more or part of a larger deal that gets you a larger return, yes. I'd be willing to bet a package of Pettersson and DOC brings back a 1st+, 100%.

He needs to start scoring.

I think MP has enough value on his own without retention. And that value can be bumped higher by taking back someone like a Desharnais or Soucy. Or hopefully someone with an expiring contract.

I'm talking about taking on Saad.

 

[SEALBound]

He needs to start scoring.



I'm talking about taking on Saad.

If he was scoring, we'd probably keep him. Or we wouldn't be talking about a mere 3rd.

 

[Gurglesons]

If he was scoring, we'd probably keep him. Or we wouldn't be talking about a mere 3rd.

There is no reason to keep DOC. He's going to be 27. He should be on the first bus out of town as soon as the deadline hits.

 

[Ulf5]

He needs to start scoring.



I'm talking about taking on Saad.

Yes, ryder said he'd rather use the space on MP retention.
I personally am going to give up trying to guess at a players' value. These GMs are too dumb and erratic. I never would've thought Trouba had positive value, yet here we are.
Blues' fans seem to think Saad can get like a 2nd if they retain. Who knows anymore.

 

[eXile3]

As does O'Connors.

Jake didn't want to re-sign here.

Yes he did. Stop repeating that lie. It’s one to thing to say you wanted Jake traded but everyone involved, including Dubas, had said it was Dubas’ choice to move on.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's absolute insanity to me that people can look at this team and their state as a franchise and complain that the Penguins didn't re-sign Guentzel.

The team should be tearing down more, not giving a $10 million a year (to equal out difference in state taxes) retirement contract to Jake Guentzel.

 

[Ryder71]

Pump his value. Retain and get a pick for him next deadline.

I wouldn't do it. We have 3.3 mil in cap space and the Blues have no 2hd rounders until, '28. They'd have to take back salary to make it work. Unless they get silly and offer us something fantastic I don't think it's something we'll do. What return would you have in mind?

The youth has taken over.

As it should for us as well.

 

[Andy99]

Yes, ryder said he'd rather use the space on MP retention.
I personally am going to give up trying to guess at a players' value. These GMs are too dumb and erratic. I never would've thought Trouba had positive value, yet here we are.
Blues' fans seem to think Saad can get like a 2nd if they retain. Who knows anymore.

That’s ridiculous…Saad is a cap dump…he’s coming with a 2nd from St Louis or another bad contract in exchange lol

 

[Ryder71]

That’s ridiculous…Saad is a cap dump…he’s coming with a 2nd from St Louis or another bad contract in exchange lol

They don't have any 2hd rounders until '28.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I wouldn't do it. We have 3.3 mil in cap space and the Blues have no 2hd rounders until, '28. They'd have to take back salary to make it work. Unless they get silly and offer us something fantastic I don't think it's something we'll do. What return would you have in mind?


As it should for us as well.

Unfortunately, the Pens have generational ties, and the Blues don't.

 

[Ryder71]

Unfortunately, the Pens have generational ties, and the Blues don't.

You're right, it is unfortunate. They kept the Dinosaurs for too long.

 

[Gurglesons]

I wouldn't do it. We have 3.3 mil in cap space and the Blues have no 2hd rounders until, '28. They'd have to take back salary to make it work. Unless they get silly and offer us something fantastic I don't think it's something we'll do. What return would you have in mind?

Ideally we would be dumping a player like Acciari and a 3rd for Saad.

Realistically we aren't going to be acting as a spot for retaining salary given we only can do it on one player.

We'd be adding Saad as a top six option for next year instead of giving someone a UFA contract.

 

[Ryder71]

Ideally we would be dumping a player like Acciari and a 3rd for Saad.

Realistically we aren't going to be acting as a spot for retaining salary given we only can do it on one player.

We'd be adding Saad as a top six option for next year instead of giving someone a UFA contract.

You wanna give up Acciari and a 3rd? Acciari fine, but with the disparity in the cap hits they should be giving us the pick! Honestly, I don't see how that move helps either team. And that would eat up the majority of our cap. I think there are better deals to come. But I'm definitely not giving up a pick in such a scenario UNLESS we acquire a higher pick.

 

[Gurglesons]

You wanna give up Acciari and a 3rd? Acciari fine, but with the disparity in the cap hits they should be giving us the pick! Honestly, I don't see how that move helps either team. And that would eat up the majority of our cap. I think there are better deals to come. But I'm definitely not giving up a pick in such a scenario UNLESS we acquire a higher pick.

We'd be moving out MP28 likely at some point along with other players.

Don't really see the issue.

And I'm fine spending a 3rd now for a player like Saad who could potentially get us a 2nd next deadline if we pump his numbers.

 

[Ryder71]

We'd be moving out MP28 likely at some point along with other players.

Don't really see the issue.

And I'm fine spending a 3rd now for a player like Saad who could potentially get us a 2nd next deadline if we pump his numbers.

Absolutely not, you're ceding 2.5 mil in cap space and that could be very valuable closer to the deadline.

Acciari and a 5th for Saad a '26 3rd and 1.5 mil retained. That's the only way I'd do that. Plain and simple we should not be trading picks in the earlier rounds. Also, there's no guarantee Saad will produce here. There's much better ways to utilize our cap.

 

[Gurglesons]

Absolutely not, you're ceding 2.5 mil in cap space and that could be very valuable closer to the deadline.

Acciari and a 5th for Saad a '26 3rd and 1.5 mil retained. That's the only way I'd do that. Plain a simple we should not be trading picks in the earlier rounds. Also, there's no guarantee Saad will produce here. There's much better ways to utilize our cap.

No team is paying you to take Acciari.

You're ceding 2.5 mil in cap space you likely have to anyway to ice a competitive roster which despite your pleading, Dubas will try to do next year.

Saad for Acciari + 3rd gets us out of Acciari's horrendous deal, opens up roster spots for younger players to come up, gives us insulation in the top six and allows us to do exactly what we did with Reilly Smith which is turn a 3rd into a year or so of a player and then get back a 2nd with retention.

 

[Ryder71]

No team is paying you to take Acciari.

You're ceding 2.5 mil in cap space you likely have to anyway to ice a competitive roster which despite your pleading, Dubas will try to do next year.

Saad for Acciari + 3rd gets us out of Acciari's horrendous deal, opens up roster spots for younger players to come up, gives us insulation in the top six and allows us to do exactly what we did with Reilly Smith which is turn a 3rd into a year or so of a player and then get back a 2nd with retention.

Accicari at 2 mil is not worse than Saad at 4.5 mil relative to the needs to this team. A 2 mil cap ht for a year and a half is not that big of a deal on a team going nowhere. And no way are we trading a 3rd to do so, that's just poor asset management. Not gonna happen.