Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Empoleon8771]

He's DOC but at $3million for 3 years, starting next year.

It's a terrible add.

That kind of money is exactly what O’Connor would be making if he hit UFA last year instead of this year.

If O’Connor wouldn’t have struggled as badly as he has so far this year, I would have just paid him that to keep him.

 

[Duffy13]

If we didn't have Hayes, Nieto, Bunting, Acciari, all signed for next year, then fine, but I still don't get the attention he is getting as a target.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If we didn't have Hayes, Nieto, Bunting, Acciari, all signed for next year, then fine, but I still don't get the attention he is getting as a target.

Having shitty players they should get rid of isn’t a justification to saying no to a solid to good young player they can get for cheap.

Nieto is also not under contract for next year.

 

[Duffy13]

Having shitty players they should get rid of isn’t a justification to saying no to a solid to good young player they can get for cheap.

Nieto is also not under contract for next year.

Ahh good, Nieto is gone. I mean I don't hate the idea of Hoglander, I'm not sold on him at all. If he was at all solid or good, than why is Vancouver so desperate to get rid of him? He's another player who could be ok in the bottom 6, maybe.

 

[Speaker City]

"Just details" eh Mike? How about teaching some details to the team about not hemorrhaging high quality chances. This is like 1984 tanking for Mario, someone plays good they get scratched or demoted.

As for Hoglander.. I think in theory he (plus a small add) is an okay return for an expiring UFA, but I dont think this staff would use him properly..shocker. I would put him with Malkin and Tomasino or Pulju. You know, balance out his skill with some size. I dont want him, but if they dump Beau id slot him there.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I’m legitimately curious who Hoglander would be blocking that is an upgrade on him. Do people not realize that what Hoglander has become is already likely as good or better than what someone like Poulin or Ponomarev will become? With Beauvillier and O’Connor both as UFAs, Hoglander would most likely be taking one of their spots.

If Hoglander was 29 like Bunting, I’d totally understand the complaints. But saying no to a cost controlled, 24 year old DOC clone (let’s call him that for simplicity) because “he’ll be blocking WBS players” makes zero sense. He’s a young player himself and is better than those WBS players. They need more players like DOC in their bottom-6, and Hoglander fits exactly that. He’s the kind of bottom-6 guy they should be targeting while they’re cleaning out the rest of the gunk with Hayes, Acciari and such.

I probably would t re-sign O’Connor if they trade for Hoglander, but Hoglander, Lizotte and O’Connor would be a nice start to a rebuilt bottom-6 that both fits how Sullivan wants to deploy it and also can provide some nice secondary scoring and speed. If he’d ever give Puljujarvi a chance, he’d fit in that group as well. Those guys plus guys like Ponomarev and Poulin coming up is how they should build their bottom-6. Add McGroarty and Tomisano in a top-6 role (probably both with Malkin) and that's the kind of "youth movement" this team should have. My goal lineup forward group with that in mind would be something like:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
McGroarty-Malkin-Tomasino
Hoglander-Glass-O'Connor
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Puljujarvi
Poulin

 

[Duffy13]

I don't think he would be blocking anyone, as when some of the WBS players start to come up they'll be just as good.

I don't understand the draw, he will be ok at best, and that's good enough for a rebuild. But if he's traded for Petersson I'd rather a combo of picks and prospects instead of a player like Hoglander and a lower pick.

 

[Duffy13]

I’m legitimately curious who Hoglander would be blocking that is an upgrade on him. Do people not realize that what Hoglander has become is already likely as good or better than what someone like Poulin or Ponomarev will become? With Beauvillier and O’Connor both as UFAs, Hoglander would most likely be taking one of their spots.

If Hoglander was 29 like Bunting, I’d totally understand the complaints. But saying no to a cost controlled, 24 year old DOC clone (let’s call him that for simplicity) because “he’ll be blocking WBS players” makes zero sense. He’s a young player himself and is better than those WBS players. They need more players like DOC in their bottom-6, and Hoglander fits exactly that. He’s the kind of bottom-6 guy they should be targeting while they’re cleaning out the rest of the gunk with Hayes, Acciari and such.

I probably would t re-sign O’Connor if they trade for Hoglander, but Hoglander, Lizotte and O’Connor would be a nice start to a rebuilt bottom-6 that both fits how Sullivan wants to deploy it and also can provide some nice secondary scoring and speed. If he’d ever give Puljujarvi a chance, he’d fit in that group as well. Those guys plus guys like Ponomarev and Poulin coming up is how they should build their bottom-6. Add McGroarty and Tomisano in a top-6 role (probably both with Malkin) and that's the kind of "youth movement" this team should have. My goal lineup forward group with that in mind would be something like:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
McGroarty-Malkin-Tomasino
Hoglander-Glass-O'Connor
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Puljujarvi
Poulin

I like the lineup, again, I don't hate Hoglander, just don't think he does anything different from what we already have. I like him a lot more than Tomasino... This bottom 6 is theoretically better than this year, and this year is a lot better than last year. So positive progress is a good thing.

 

[Ulf5]

I like the lineup, again, I don't hate Hoglander, just don't think he does anything different from what we already have. I like him a lot more than Tomasino... This bottom 6 is theoretically better than this year, and this year is a lot better than last year. So positive progress is a good thing.

I don't want Hoglander if he dampens MP's value. Focus should be futures under 20.
If he's attainable by other means, a 3rd line of Hog- Koivunen- Puljujarvi could be fun next year if Dubas trims the fat.

 

[molon labe]

Hog is for the Zucker fans out there. He'll be 100% another do-nothing toy that'll wear his welcome in about....6-8 months tops. Literally skates, hits off the puck, goes to the bench. He's not what this team needs or is missing by any stretch - he's just "available" for a piece we have (Petts).

No clue why people are high on him other than he's something we can afford.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hog is for the Zucker fans out there. He'll be 100% another do-nothing toy that'll wear his welcome in about....6-8 months tops. Literally skates, hits off the puck, goes to the bench. He's not what this team needs or is missing by any stretch - he's just "available" for a piece we have (Petts).

No clue why people are high on him other than he's something we can afford.

I mean, he’s 24. I’d rather take him on for nothing and hope he can get some value back than take a 2nd for another Hayes type who should be healthy scratched but is on the top PP.

 

[Turin]

I don't want Hoglander if he dampens MP's value. Focus should be futures under 20.
If he's attainable by other means, a 3rd line of Hog- Koivunen- Puljujarvi could be fun next year if Dubas trims the fat.

I don’t think a UFA Pettersson has as much value as some are saying. Hoglander and a pick is pretty impressive value

 

[molon labe]

I mean, he’s 24. I’d rather take him on for nothing and hope he can get some value back than take a 2nd for another Hayes type who should be healthy scratched but is on the top PP.

How are we going to improve Hogs value? He's already been "available" for over a year with no takers. He's going to come to our offensively inept roster (much-much more so than Vancouver obviously) and gain value?

Then, how are we gaining value over what Petts might be worth today? I feel like Petts, especially with retention, should have fantastic value to just about all 16 playoff teams.

I'm telling you he's literally a less offensive Zucker -> Smith player. Useless here. I could see him racking a few points on a club like Florida - on their 3rd or 4th line. Here? Dude will be irrelevant.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't dislike Hoglander really, but he's the exact type of guy this team would trade for in the cliche "flip down the line" move, then Sullivan would have him playing 9 minutes a night on the 4th line between healthy scratches in favor of Nieto.

 

[Jdodd]

The only thing w Hoglander is that he has the 3 year at 3M per. Not saying he is overpaid but I would take Tomasino at 825k ove rHoglander at 3M.
Would also resign O’Conner for around a 2 year at 1.5M.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The only thing w Hoglander is that he has the 3 year at 3M per. Not saying he is overpaid but I would take Tomasino at 825k ove rHoglander at 3M.
Would also resign O’Conner for around a 2 year at 1.5M.

Why can’t they have all of those guys and get rid of the shitty veterans they have

I don't want Hoglander if he dampens MP's value. Focus should be futures under 20.
If he's attainable by other means, a 3rd line of Hog- Koivunen- Puljujarvi could be fun next year if Dubas trims the fat.

Hoglander’s value is like a 3rd at most right now. He’s playing 7 minutes a night for the Canucks and Tocchet clearly doesn’t want to play him.

If you’re worried about hurting Pettersson’s value with getting Hoglander, just trade one of their 3rds for Hoglander and keep Pettersson.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

DOC's basically just a younger Acciari. /shrug

Dude's a f***in' nobody. If you can find value for him in a trade, go for it. But he's not some key ingredient to the bottom-6 imo. He's too dumb and bad with the puck on his stick to work in a scoring line role, even as a third wheel. And he's a whatever bottom-6 guy you can find at any time of the year if you need 'em for your bottom-6.

Still, I agree that this team should just play youth and see what they have. Sick of this Nieto, Acciari, Hayes bullshit.

 

[Darren McCord]

I don't want Hoglander if he dampens MP's value. Focus should be futures under 20.
If he's attainable by other means, a 3rd line of Hog- Koivunen- Puljujarvi could be fun next year if Dubas trims the fat.

Lol none of those players are centers but I get your point. Swap Pono with Koivunen

DOC's basically just a younger Acciari. /shrug

Dude's a f***in' nobody. If you can find value for him in a trade, go for it. But he's not some key ingredient to the bottom-6 imo. He's too dumb and bad with the puck on his stick to work in a scoring line role, even as a third wheel. And he's a whatever bottom-6 guy you can find at any time of the year if you need 'em for your bottom-6.

Still, I agree that this team should just play youth and see what they have. Sick of this Nieto, Acciari, Hayes bullshit.

Doc is a young Acciari and should be on the 4th line over him.

Poulin - Doc - JP

Would be a fine 4th line and better than Nieto - Hayes - Acciari. It just wasn't a third line.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Lol none of those players are centers but I get your point. Swap Pono with Koivunen



Doc is a young Acciari and should be on the 4th line over him.

Poulin - Doc - JP

Would be a fine 4th line and better than Nieto - Hayes - Acciari. It just wasn't a third line.

I think Puljujarvi should be getting more opportunity tbh. He should be a permanent fixture in the lineup, and I would advocate the dude get a spot in the middle-6 full time. Play him with Sid or Geno when Rust does his 10 games of nothing bullshit.

Puljujarvi's shown a lot in the little opportunity he's been given imo. Really smart player, who actually has the ability to make an impact as that third wheel.

But yeah, again, enough of the Acciaris, Hayes, and Nietos. Play the youth (and trade anybody with value).

 

[Empoleon8771]

I just don’t understand why so many people say that the Penguins should play youth in their bottom-6 only to say no to acquiring guys like Hoglander for cheap because “they have enough guys like him already”. You saw it with Tomisano as well where some people were complaining about the acquisition because he took Puustinen’s spot, even though he’s younger, better and has a better resume.

Not everyone here does this, but some people here want to play only the specific young players they want to play, not young players in general. I just want prime aged players or younger that bring speed to their bottom-6, I want more guys like Lizotte and O’Connor that are 27 or younger. I don’t give a damn if it’s a guy from WBS, a guy they traded a 3rd for, a free agent addition or whatever.