Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If Yohe's saying some shit about how the Pens should trade Poulin, I'm just gonna assume he sniffed a fart outta their ass and is getting the news out ahead of time to make it look good for the team.

 

[McGroarty2]

EDM doesn't have a 1st in '25.

But everyone know '27 is where it's at.

 

[K Fleur]

In 2027 I’ll be 36 and finally old enough to play for the Penguins.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Barring Sullivan royally f***ing this kid up like he has with several others...I do hope they use him with Geno.

But if he catches fire, watch him get shifted up to Sid. Like the usual dumb shit we see. Tomasino has that Neal kind of release so he would be great with Geno if he shows up motivated.

If he falls out of the top 6, he's f***ed.

I'd figure it'll be....

Rakell, Crosby, Rust - because Sully gonna Sully.
Bunting, Malkin, Tomasino - see above.
O'Connor, Hayes, Puljujarvi
Nieto, Acciari, Beauvillier

It should be...

Beauvillier, Crosby, Rakell
Bunting, Malkin, Tomasino
O'Connor, Hayes, Rust
Nieto, Acciari, Puljujarvi - Sorry Juice.

Defense, who cares, they don't play Defense anyway.

That isn't pretty. I don't have much hope for this shit.

 

[Ryder71]

But everyone know '27 is where it's at.

'26

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Barring Sullivan royally f***ing this kid up like he has with several others...I do hope they use him with Geno.

But if he catches fire, watch him get shifted up to Sid. Like the usual dumb shit we see. Tomasino has that Neal kind of release so he would be great with Geno if he shows up motivated.

If he falls out of the top 6, he's f***ed.

I'd figure it'll be....

Rakell, Crosby, Rust - because Sully gonna Sully.
Bunting, Malkin, Tomasino - see above.
O'Connor, Hayes, Puljujarvi
Nieto, Acciari, Beauvillier

It should be...

Beauvillier, Crosby, Rakell
Bunting, Malkin, Tomasino
O'Connor, Hayes, Rust
Nieto, Acciari, Puljujarvi - Sorry Juice.

Defense, who cares, they don't play Defense anyway.

That isn't pretty. I don't have much hope for this shit.

What would you do if Glass is healthy?

 

[Duffy13]

When healthy I'd like to try this:

Rakell- Crosby- Puljujarvi
Beau- Malkin- Tomasino
Buntin- Glass- Rust
O'connor - Lizotte- Nieto

Will never happen, and I know some of those are not suited for extended top 6, but it's worth a look.

Also I read that people would trade Bloom for Jiricek? I'm not sure I want to give up on a goalie who is trending in the right direction just yet, they take forever to develop. Unless the Russian kid is showing that he is the real deal, than maybe. But I think I'm a year or two away from this decision

Realistically I can see

Beau- Crosby- Rakell
Bunting- Malkin- Rust
Doc- Glass- Tomasino/Hayes
Nieto- Accairi- Lizzotte

Dont't think Sullivan will play the young guys at all when everyone is healthy.

 

[cookthebooks]

you could easily get a 6th round pick in the year 3000 for poulin so why not do it

 

[Empoleon8771]

I know the answer is "Mike Sullivan" but I don't understand why Hayes has to play. At best, he should be their 4C.

My ideal healthy lineup right now would be:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Tomasino
Beauvillier-O'Connor-Puljujarvi
Lizotte-Hayes-Glass

But good luck convincing Mike Sullivan to run with that.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

At this point, the season is over. They're too far out and have too many teams to jump to make the POs.

Now is the time to play the kids and send guys like Hayes to the retirement home.

 

[Empoleon8771]

On the Jiricek talk, it turns out that Michigan had a line of McGroarty-Fantilli-Brindley that dominated as a line for Michigan in the 2022-2023 season. Guess what team has both Fantilli and Brindley? The Jackets.

I don't want to bet on it as likely, but if Dubas thinks Jiricek is a better prospect than McGroarty, would it really be that surprising to see a deal there? The Jackets are likely very familiar with McGroarty themselves and Dubas has already shown to be willing to trade a good prospect for a better prospect (in his eyes better).

 

[molon labe]

Why are people down on Beauvillier? Dude signed a 1yr, 1.25mil deal and has 6 goals on the year which is 3rd on the team. Pacing for 20. All things considered, that isn't that bad. Not Mitch Marner but it's not like he has 1 assist in 11 gp.

Only thing I can think of is that we really don't have many top 6 guys anymore.... so a signing like Beau would be fantastic if it was with intentions of making him a supportive 3rd line piece that slots up with injury. That's savvy.

We lost Jake when we needed more scoring. It was blatantly obvious then. In fact, for 3 straight years we've needed more scoring (it's up league wide which only lengthens our deficit). But what have we done since other than look at Sid and Geno and think "yep, they'll carry the mail for us".

He's going to get shit because there's nothing left to dump on. Same thing with the jackknife Rust. Dude IS versatile - but when he's stapled to Crosby's wing (for lack of roster flexibility) he becomes a massive scapegoat. He's the type of guy who never should have found a 'home' on a line. Yet, here we are. There's a shit ton wrong with Dubas' roster building (aka giving Sullivan all the toys he wants) and Sullivan's coaching. These are just small subsets that folks clamor to.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Only thing I can think of is that we really don't have many top 6 guys anymore.... so a signing like Beau would be fantastic if it was with intentions of making him a supportive 3rd line piece that slots up with injury. That's savvy.

We lost Jake when we needed more scoring. It was blatantly obvious then. In fact, for 3 straight years we've needed more scoring (it's up league wide which only lengthens our deficit). But what have we done since other than look at Sid and Geno and think "yep, they'll carry the mail for us".

He's going to get shit because there's nothing left to dump on. Same thing with the jackknife Rust. Dude IS versatile - but when he's stapled to Crosby's wing (for lack of roster flexibility) he becomes a massive scapegoat. He's the type of guy who never should have found a 'home' on a line. Yet, here we are. There's a shit ton wrong with Dubas' roster building (aka giving Sullivan all the toys he wants) and Sullivan's coaching. These are just small subsets that folks clamor to.

They're playing Beauvillier in the top-6 with the intent of him producing well and then being able to get futures for him at the deadline. He hasn't "found a home" here, he's just there to build up his value.

Beauvillier is doing the same thing from his perspective, try to have a good year in the Penguins top-6 to get a decent UFA deal next summer.

 

[molon labe]

They're playing Beauvillier in the top-6 with the intent of him producing well and then being able to get futures for him at the deadline. He hasn't "found a home" here, he's just there to build up his value.

Beauvillier is doing the same thing from his perspective, try to have a good year in the Penguins top-6 to get a decent UFA deal next summer.

Impossible to tell. Frankly we don't have a better option so chicken or egg. Our forward group is chalk full of players who don't really have top-6 offensive potential.

I'm back to selling anything not bolted down at this point - with obvious exceptions to certain prospects.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well Rossi is reporting the Jiricek stuff so it must be dead already lol.

 

[Sideline]

Well Rossi is reporting the Jiricek stuff so it must be dead already lol.

Even if it does go nowhere at least Dubas is out there looking at this kind of move. Small victory, but I'll take it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

From Rossi:

No Penguins prospect is off limits as part of the package, the sources said, including McGroarty. A Penguins source said Dubas hasn’t soured on McGroarty. Rather, that source said, Dubas simply loves Jiříček, a right-shot defenseman.

McGroarty+ for Jiricek would be a cutthroat deal for Dubas to make, but it honestly makes a good bit of sense. Jackets get a guy they're super familiar with based on them having 2 of his past linemates from Michigan, while Dubas makes another trade in the Yager for McGroarty deal by swapping a good prospect for a prospect he thinks is better.

 

[Sideline]

From Rossi:



McGroarty+ for Jiricek would be a cutthroat deal for Dubas to make, but it honestly makes a good bit of sense.

I don't know enough about Jiricek to have a strong opinion, but if you like a guy enough then you make this type of deal.

 

[Khelandros]

Also with the Yohe article yesterday, I kinda caught a "between the lines" thing. He said FSG's not interested in paying two coaches for two years. I took that to mean that Sully might still be owed the money from his contract even if he signs elsewhere.

As soon as Sullivan signs to coach Boston again, his contract with the Penguins is void. FSG should be trying everything they can to make this happen.

Rakell- Crosby- Puljujarvi
Beau- Malkin- Tomasino
Buntin- Glass- Rust
O'connor - Lizotte- Nieto

This is what a world without Sullivan looks like.

 

[eXile3]

From Rossi:



McGroarty+ for Jiricek would be a cutthroat deal for Dubas to make, but it honestly makes a good bit of sense.

That would be funny. Just keep on trading up prospects.

I honestly can’t imagine us being the highest bidder for Jiricek.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know enough about Jiricek to have a strong opinion, but if you like a guy enough then you make this type of deal.

I really like McGroarty but it's a no brainer to make the swap if you can pull it off.

Jiricek is a potential #1D, someone with his size and offensive ability could be a downright gamechanger on the defense. IMO the Jackets have grossly mismanaged him and it's a crime that he's even available.

That would be funny. Just keep on trading up prospects.

I honestly can’t imagine us being the highest bidder for Jiricek.

It would objectively be hilarious, but it's also a deal that would be a no brainer for the Penguins to make. McGroarty is good but Jiricek is simply a special prospect.

 

[Gurglesons]

Even if it does go nowhere at least Dubas is out there looking at this kind of move. Small victory, but I'll take it.

I feel like part of this is to make it seem like we are interested to satisfy fans versus actually having a package that would return Jiricek.

He's a few years removed from being a top ten draft pick and was trending as like CBJs top defensive piece until Matyechuk showed up.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Don't take this as me writing off Groats after such a tiny sample size but frankly I was never that huge on that deal/player to begin with so for a prospect like Jiricek it's basically automatic if that's the basis for a deal. Jiricek is a 6'4" righty D that looks like a guy that could put up ~50-60 points a year in his prime if everything goes right. That's a borderline team cornerstone type player, right there.

 

[Sideline]

I feel like part of this is to make it seem like we are interested to satisfy fans versus actually having a package that would return Jiricek.

He's a few years removed from being a top ten draft pick and was trending as like CBJs top defensive piece until Matyechuk showed up.

I have to think it would be McGroarty and maybe a plus. Not sure that makes sense for CBJ, but I am also surprised they are dumping a young top prospect.

 

[Empoleon8771]

From doing a bit more reading, it seems like the Jackets are super thin on goalie prospects while the Penguins are very deep in goalie prospects. McGroarty and Blomqvist for Jiricek would hurt for the Penguins to give up, but that opens up a spot for Murashov to get promoted to WBS and have him be the goalie of the future. Or maybe Columbus could just really like Murashov and it could be McGroarty and Murashov for Jiricek.