Malkinstheman
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If they dont want to make an official statement of some kind, atleast give Yohe or somebody a "scoop" about whats going on. The total radio silence while getting killed every game is wild
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Gurglesons
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Dubas was on his radio show giving politics answers Wednesday my brother.
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If it hasn't happened now, I sadly just can't imagine it happening this season.....
I mean come on, just do it and say it lets him focus more on the four nations or some shit.
I mean come on, just do it and say it lets him focus more on the four nations or some shit.
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DesertedPenguin
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Dubas doesn't leak, the local media doesn't have real sources, and FSG isn't a hands-on ownership. They've given full control to Dubas to run the hockey operations as he sees fit.
There are no scoops to be had.
Big Friggin Dummy
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I think this team would have to go on like a 0-10-0 stretch in order for Sully to be fired in-season tbh. But I do think he's closer to being fired than ever before. Maybe it's cope but I think the dude's donezo as soon as the regular season's over.
Fingers crossed and all that shit.
lol…here it is…and it should titled, “What I’m not hearing…” don’t waste your time…
• He has a particularly close relationship with Sidney Crosby, who believes in Sullivan.
• Fenway Sports Group ownership is fond of Sullivan.
• Sullivan has two years remaining on his contract following this season. While Fenway might have a lot of money, the ownership group can be stingy, leading to the assumption that FSG wouldn’t be interested in paying for two head coaches for the better part of two seasons.
• And maybe the biggest of all: Expectations were low this season anyway, with a common sentiment around the organization that this team would miss the playoffs because it’s in transition.
So, is Sullivan in trouble?
The above evidence would suggest he’s not. But the truth is only Kyle Dubas truly knows,..
But that’s the thing about FSG: They’re so, so corporate. And they don’t have hockey experience.
What this means is Sullivan’s fate is very much in Dubas’ hands. The Penguins don’t really have a boss in terms of ownership. Mario Lemieux might have been the most hands-off owner imaginable, but he was still the boss and made certain decisions. And kept everyone accountable because of who he was.
Dubas, frankly, has more power than anyone in the organization by a long shot.
I think Dubas likes Sullivan a lot and thinks he’s a great coach. I’d also note Dubas, more than anyone, seemed very interested in squashing optimism at his preseason news conference. I think he knew there was a real chance this team wouldn’t be very good and thus Sullivan probably was expected to survive this season.
The question is: How poorly do the Penguins have to play for Sullivan to get fired? I’m sure there is a point where Dubas will say enough is enough. No coach, not even Sullivan, is immune from being dismissed. The Penguins are horrific right now.
My sense all along, however, has been that Dubas and ownership don’t hold Sullivan responsible for what’s going on.
So, sure, he could get fired. But I think the Penguins view that as a last resort. And I don’t think they truly want to let him go.
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Big Friggin Dummy
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Everything about that Yohe piece sucks. 
"We expected to be dogshit, not Sully's fault." FSG is f***ing clueless and has no idea what's going on hockey-wise. Dubas is the mastermind of the whole operation (lol) and he's a Sully backer. Sullivan may have a clause that ensures he gets paid even if he signs elsewhere. Sid's thrown his support behind Sully and they're bros.
I still think they'll fire the guy after the year, but yeesh. What an embarrassing organization for it to even be a question. Team's tumbled to the basement of the league, they're about to miss for the third year in a row, yet we're still skeptical that the coach--who hasn't won a playoff round since 2018--is going to be axed.
"We expected to be dogshit, not Sully's fault." FSG is f***ing clueless and has no idea what's going on hockey-wise. Dubas is the mastermind of the whole operation (lol) and he's a Sully backer. Sullivan may have a clause that ensures he gets paid even if he signs elsewhere. Sid's thrown his support behind Sully and they're bros.
I still think they'll fire the guy after the year, but yeesh. What an embarrassing organization for it to even be a question. Team's tumbled to the basement of the league, they're about to miss for the third year in a row, yet we're still skeptical that the coach--who hasn't won a playoff round since 2018--is going to be axed.
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They stink, and they're ok with that because that's a way to get talent into the organization. There's no other goal right now except to maximize draft capital. However I feel like they could be doing a lot better job with the younger players they do have, and constantly bringing in shitty veterans to steal playing time from younger players is what is troubling.
They could have the same record - or worse - and I'd feel a lot better about what they're doing if the moves they made were consistent and all adhered to some overarching theme. Instead it's - sell a player, maintain a shitty team, lose lose lose, oh yeah let's keep signing and playing these f***ing turds while the limited young talent we do have rot away in Wilkes and Wheeling.
They could have the same record - or worse - and I'd feel a lot better about what they're doing if the moves they made were consistent and all adhered to some overarching theme. Instead it's - sell a player, maintain a shitty team, lose lose lose, oh yeah let's keep signing and playing these f***ing turds while the limited young talent we do have rot away in Wilkes and Wheeling.
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I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but firing Sullivan means Quinn becomes the head coach, more than likely. At least for the remainder of the season.
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Ryder71
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Sid should go to COL. Here's my proposal.
PIT gets: Mittelstadt, Ritchie, '25 2hd rounder COL got from Rags
Col gets: Crosby, 2.2 mil retained and a serviceable depth forward in DOC
Cap wise it works and would help both teams with their respective and realistic goals.
PIT gets: Mittelstadt, Ritchie, '25 2hd rounder COL got from Rags
Col gets: Crosby, 2.2 mil retained and a serviceable depth forward in DOC
Cap wise it works and would help both teams with their respective and realistic goals.
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Saw this on the trade board, all Dubas moves. When put like this it's hard to defend Dubas so far. Worst of all keeping Sullivan of course.
2.5M- Alex Nedeljkovic
5.3M- Tristan Jarry
3.5M- Kevin Hayes
10M - Erik Karlsson
2.5M - Cody Glass
2M- Noel Acciari
4.5M - Ryan Graves
4.5M - Michael Bunting
2.75M - Matt Grzelcyk
2.5M- Alex Nedeljkovic
5.3M- Tristan Jarry
3.5M- Kevin Hayes
10M - Erik Karlsson
2.5M - Cody Glass
2M- Noel Acciari
4.5M - Ryan Graves
4.5M - Michael Bunting
2.75M - Matt Grzelcyk
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In hindsight, JR losing his freaking mind and marbles when leaving Pittsburgh is making a lot more sense.
We all critized him then and thought he was nuts... Maybe he was the only sane one left after all.
We all critized him then and thought he was nuts... Maybe he was the only sane one left after all.
Big Friggin Dummy
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The only ones that really matter are Bunting, Jarry, Graves, and EK imo. Ned's a whatever backup. Hayes and Glass were moves teams make when they've thrown in the towel. Acciari and Grz (and Beau) are waiver wire fodder but cheap and no term commitment. Bunting was a dumb add in to the Jake deal. Jarry and Graves were big f*** ups but in the grand scheme of things don't really matter anymore cuz this team's f***ing cooked. Keeping Sully, combined with Jarry+Graves+EK put the final shovelfuls of dirt on the grave tbh. They were already dead and buried from years of JR and Hextall, but that combination of things by Dubas sealed the deal for the era.
I don't think they've committed fully to a rebuild yet but the approach definitely (imo) shifted when talks died re: Jake's extension and he made it known he was going to FA, forcing the team to trade him. Nobody was brought on with any significant AAV or term since. There's been no attempt to part with significant assets to add to the roster. They've taken on bad players in exchange for draft capital. By the time October rolls around, there's a decent-to-good chance this team doesn't have some combination of Petts, DOC, Puljujarvi, Rakell, Rust, and EK on it.
