Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Ulf5]

I love Hoglander. Sullivan will hate him. The end.

Lol. Vancouver fans have become awful quiet since Hog's goals per game avg and shooting % have regressed to the means.
Apparently he's not the 2nd coming of Theoren Fleury.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I have no idea what so many Penguins fans see in Hoglander TBH.

It really must be the name. I mean... I get it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I have no idea what so many Penguins fans see in Hoglander TBH.

It really must be the name. I mean... I get it.

Yeah I'm not overly enamored with Hoglander, he's basically another Kapanen caliber middle-6 guy.

If this team was actually smart, they'd trade for Hoglander, stick him to Crosby's LW and trade him when he's putting up 25 goals with Crosby. He put up 24 last year so I feel like riding shotgun with Crosby can absolutely get him producing at that level.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah I'm not overly enamored with Hoglander, he's basically another Kapanen caliber middle-6 guy.

If this team was actually smart, they'd trade for Hoglander, stick him to Crosby's LW and trade him when he's putting up 25 goals with Crosby. He put up 24 last year so I feel like riding shotgun with Crosby can absolutely get him producing at that level.

He seems like a good young third liner that will eventually pan out into a good old third liner. *yawn*

I agree in theory with the whole "acquire and flip" idea but ain't nobody on this shitass squad building their value. Only tanking it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He seems like a good young third liner that will eventually pan out into a good old third liner. *yawn*

I agree in theory with the whole "acquire and flip" idea but ain't nobody on this shitass squad building their value. Only tanking it.

I generally agree, but at the same point, Beauvillier is pacing for 25 goals this year while mostly playing with Crosby. The team sucks but I still think anyone playing with Crosby will still produce.

But yeah, he's basically just another Kapanen guy that you'd hope someone goes full JR and trades a 1st for.

 

[Gurglesons]

I have no idea what so many Penguins fans see in Hoglander TBH.

It really must be the name. I mean... I get it.

He's a puck hound.

 

[pistolpete11]

I'd swap Beau for Hoglander or something, but that's about it. He shouldn't be considered part of the package for Pettersson.

He's a puck hound.

Can he PK?

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'd swap Beau for Hoglander or something, but that's about it. He shouldn't be considered part of the package for Pettersson.


Can he PK?

You know though... come to think of it... if Dubas can only get a 2nd in like 2033 for Petts a guy like Hoglander could really even out the value for the Penguins!

Wait... I feel like I've heard this before...

He's a puck hound.

So another guy really good at skating directly into pucks but not able to actually do anything with them? Meh. We're full up, thanks.

 

[SEALBound]

Curious for how people would feel about this deadline deal: Pettersson (at 50%) and Beauvillier to Vancouver for Hoglander, Mynio and a 2025 2nd.

Mynio was a 2023 3rd rounder that's over a PPG in the WHL as a defenseman right now. Great skating OFD with not terrible size (6'1" and 175 lbs). He's not as appealing of a prospect as Elias Pettersson but he doesn't seem like a bad prospect either.

This seems like a Dubas deal of trying to "stay competitive" with adding NHL pieces with Hoglander at the expense of a bit of a middling (not terrible but middling) futures return for Pettersson. The difference is that Hoglander is only 23 rather than Bunting being 29, but it's still a similar concept.

I think we were all on board with a deal around Pettersson+2nd being decent value for a UFA. I don't see that deal being too far away from it, if it is at all. I think you hit on the debate though - would be rather have a prospect or a roster player? I don't think it makes that much of a difference to be quite honest. Hoglander asserted himself last year as a guy who will put the puck in the net and it looks like he has a decent future. That said, I don't think he makes one bit of difference when staring down the inevitable rebuild we have in front of us.

The ultimate decision to me comes down to what Dubas's plans for next year are. I cannot overstate how much I think we need to sell pieces this year and tank next year for McKenna. Rebuilds are all about getting the right player at the right time (ask Edmonton). If you can sell of Gryz, Pettersson, DOC, Beau, and maybe one of Rust/Rakell in pursuit of a mini-tank, in the hopes of getting McKenna, then I do believe there is some validity in taking Hoglander. Again, I don't think he's making a dent in the "Are they tanking or not?". But, say for discussion's sake, we DO get McKenna, you can immediately surround the kid with some good talent. This would be more in the mold of Matthews, who immediately has Marner and Nylander around him, and Bedard, where Chicago surrounds him with the rotting corpses of veteran castaways.

Now, I'm not saying that you put Hoglander with McKenna and it solves everything but at worst, he comes a solid third line depth player, and at best, he comes a third wheel on a good top 6 line. One has to think we get a top 5 pick this year so let's say we land Misa. You can put together a top 6 of:

Hoglander-McKenna-Misa
Bunting-Crosby-Rust/Rakell

Then you slowly start rebuilding the prospect pool with younger additions. Worst case you can also trade Hoglander for someone wanting an offensive upgrade.

On the other hand, if the idea is to retread into FA and the trade market to be better next year where the goal is to NOT finish bottom 3, then you may as well opt for the younger dman who you can hopefully get onto the roster when they are a little further into the rebuild. Mynio is whatever. Lottery ticket. Not unlike Cruz. Nice addition but hardly the focus. If you do take Hoglander on though, the cap is likely close enough to where you don't have to use a retention slot on Pettersson, so that could help add value to another trade. Say someone wants to add Hayes at 50% and is willing to give a 2nd to do it. The overall package in that case (from all trades) might be a tad bit higher.

 

[Gurglesons]

So another guy really good at skating directly into pucks but not able to actually do anything with them? Meh. We're full up, thanks.

I think Hogs would immediately be our most skilled winger tbh.

I'd swap Beau for Hoglander or something, but that's about it. He shouldn't be considered part of the package for Pettersson.

If the Canucks are willing to dump his cap on us, I'd take him in a minute.

He's the exact type of age range that we should be bringing in, pumping the value of and then flipping.

 

[pistolpete11]

If the Canucks are willing to dump his cap on us, I'd take him in a minute.

He's the exact type of age range that we should be bringing in, pumping the value of and then flipping.

I wouldn't consider a cap dump as part of the return either.

If you think he has positive value, fair enough. I just don't think he's that good. I'd rather just take the extra pick/prospect now.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Hogs to 3C, though, maybe 4C after first penalty @Gurglesons

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hog's best year in the modern high-scoring NHL is 36 points.

I feel like that roughly translates to like ~25 points on a Sullivan squad.

"But McHurt you put him on Crosby's wing and let him rack 'em up til you can trade him!"

Fine enough plan. Think it'll ever actually happen?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I have no idea what so many Penguins fans see in Hoglander TBH.

It really must be the name. I mean... I get it.

He's more of what this team always seems to acquire. Small, middle six forward with average ability that isn't a game breaker.

 

[Pens x]

Lol at the new 7-10 years timeline for Dubas to f*** up the team more, I mean to fix thinga.

Wasnt the mandate to compete now and build for the future? Can we all agree that Dubas failed miserably to keep the team competitive in the short term?

The Guentzel trade will go down in history as one of the worst trades this team made in decades.

Even our absentee ownership group has to see it.

 

[Ulf5]

I'd swap Beau for Hoglander or something, but that's about it. He shouldn't be considered part of the package for Pettersson.


Can he PK?

Pick got 2:25 on the PK surprisingly. Maybe not so surprisingly. Also got the player of the game helmet and praise from Sully. Maybe he'll be one of the lucky yutes and get an extended look.

 

[Gurglesons]

I wouldn't consider a cap dump as part of the return either.

If you think he has positive value, fair enough. I just don't think he's that good. I'd rather just take the extra pick/prospect now.

The way I look at it is Dubas is going to acquire vet forwards to fill out the top nine.

I'd rather we do that with a 23 year old like Hoglander then the trash he's found in UFA.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Look who flamed out yet again.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858586623673237555

 

[Gurglesons]

Look who flamed out yet again.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858586623673237555

Probably would be a top six winger here.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Hey guys don't worry Sullivan got it right with Kapanen!

Praise him!

EDIT: Actually no he didn't WTF am I talking about? He played that turd on Malkin's wing for like a season and a half.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Enjoy whatever D2 German league you end up in, Kap. Dork.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Enjoy whatever D2 German league you end up in, Kap. Dork.

Yeah and if you are a denizen of whatever town he ends up in... stay off the sidewalks

 

[Gurglesons]

Enjoy whatever D2 German league you end up in, Kap. Dork.

He's going to go tear it up in that Finnish league that Koivunen dominated.

 

[pistolpete11]

The way I look at it is Dubas is going to acquire vet forwards to fill out the top nine.

I'd rather we do that with a 23 year old like Hoglander then the trash he's found in UFA.

If he's a throw in, that's fine. But he doesn't move the needle for me as part of a return for Petts.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Yeah and if you are a denizen of whatever town he ends up in... stay off the sidewalks

Thought about it, decided against it. Wouldn't want ol' TROLL STOMPER to take away my ability to like posts because I made fun of a drunk driving loser.