Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Ryder71]

Pavs for the PP coach would be good.



Fact is this roster is 85-90% Dubas and the issues with it are now Dubas' fault.

This would be like blaming Shero in 18-19 for the state of the Penguins.

This team was abysmal before he got here. Considering the age of the core it's logical to conclude it will only get worse.

How are they Kyles fault? His best players are far past their primes, yes? He didn't have Sid and Geno when they were 27 or 30. If you wanna blame him for taking the job, well, ok, but it's a good gig, long term and that pays well. But he can't outduel father time.

What you do is accrue picks and prospects, bring in a staff that's apt at developing them and hit on your high draft picks. That's what he's endeavoring to do. Time will tell if he's successful or not. So far, so good.

 

[Gurglesons]

This team was abysmal before he got here. Considering the age of the core it's logical to conclude it will only get worse.

How are they Kyles fault? His best players are far past their primes, yes? He didn't have Sid and Geno when they were 27 or 30. If you wanna blame him for taking the job, well, ok, but it's a good gig, long term and that pays well. But he can't outduel father time.

What you do is accrue picks and prospects, bring in a staff that's apt at developing them and hit on your high draft picks. That's what he's endeavoring to do. Time will tell if he's successful or not. So far, so good.

The two worst contracts on the team are because of Dubas and EK is probably the most overpaid player on the roster and he was also brought in by Kyle.

If the goal is what you said it is, Dubas' first season here purposefully burned a top 15 1st and a ton of cap space on unmovable contracts.

The team was in a great place contract wise and asset wise when Dubas came here. We had 20+ mil and all of our 1sts and 2nds outside of the Granlund trade.

 

[eXile3]

It’s both their faults. NHL GMs are stupid in general and then you add in duel mandates to rebuild and compete from ownership bad moves are going to happen.

 

[Gurglesons]

It’s both their faults. NHL GMs are stupid in general and then you add in duel mandates to rebuild and compete from ownership bad moves are going to happen.

Ron Hextall's impact on this roster is the Rust, Rakell, Letang, and Malkin contracts.

That's it.

 

[Ryder71]

The two worst contracts on the team are because of Dubas and EK is probably the most overpaid player on the roster and he was also brought in by Kyle.

If the goal is what you said it is, Dubas' first season here purposefully burned a top 15 1st and a ton of cap space on unmovable contracts.

The team was in a great place contract wise and asset wise when Dubas came here. We had 20+ mil and all of our 1sts and 2nds outside of the Granlund trade.

That was done just after Kyle got the job. He didn't understand just how dire things were at that time. I don't remember anyone at that time dissenting about bringing EK in come to think of it. Collectively we viewed it as this teams last chance. He made an effort to appease the core and afforded them an opportunity and they soiled the bed. What GM wouldn't do that?

Since then and after being here for some time he garnered a better understanding on the matter and chose the correct direction by accruing picks, prospects and young assets overall. Which is exactly what he should be doin. No GM is gonna be perfect.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Ron Hextall's impact on this roster is the Rust, Rakell, Letang, and Malkin contracts.

That's it.

And Rutherford is to blame for Pettersson.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Pavelski is just here to see how sid is better at deflecting pucks than he was

 

[SEALBound]

Pavelski is just here to see how sid is better at deflecting pucks than he was

Plot twist - he's there to discuss a PTO.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Pavelski is in town because his son is playing in the USHL tournament or event or whatever at the complex.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Plot twist - he's there to discuss a PTO.

That's a worthy discussion.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

There's a Guentzel article in the Athletic. I didn't see it mentioned here.

Guentzel's agent said that if Guentzel had been healthy and the Pens were playing more consistently, Guentzel likely would have been re-signed.

“Pittsburgh didn’t make enough of a statement this year to show everyone involved — most importantly probably Dubas — that they were ready to pay Jake what he’s going to get in free agency. And that was the right move for that team at the time. Were they going into rebuilding? Was Sid going to be there? It was such a tough dynamic. Dubas did a good job under some tough, uncertain times.”

Guentzel had nice things to say, too.

Dubas drove over to Guentzel’s Pittsburgh-area home right away to alert him of the trade in person. That was the first of many hard conversations that day, including when he went to the rink to grab his stuff.

“I went to say goodbye to some guys, especially Sid, (Kris Letang) and ‘Rusty’ (Bryan Rust),” Guentzel said. “I have a lot of memories with those guys and the friendships we’ve made. Coach (Mike) Sullivan, too. He was the guy that trusted me and put me in the position to succeed when I was a young kid and just came up in the league. A lot of credit goes to him. That was a tough one, too.”

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[BusinessGoose]

"Guentzel's agent said that if Guentzel had been healthy and the Pens were playing more consistently, Guentzel likely would have been re-signed."

 

[Empoleon8771]

There's a Guentzel article in the Athletic. I didn't see it mentioned here.

Guentzel's agent said that if Guentzel had been healthy and the Pens were playing more consistently, Guentzel likely would have been re-signed.



Guentzel had nice things to say, too.

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"Pittsburgh didn’t make enough of a statement this year to show everyone involved — most importantly probably Dubas — that they were ready to pay Jake what he’s going to get in free agency."

Almost like Guentzel was going after getting his huge payday like almost everyone here has said.

 

[eXile3]

Wait…those quotes don’t support the narrative that Jake didn’t want to negotiate?

They support it was Dubas who wanted to move on because they are entering a rebuild?

Which is odd because everyone on this board has been saying it was Jake driving himself out?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Wait…those quotes don’t support the narrative that Jake didn’t want to negotiate?

They support it was Dubas who wanted to move on because they are entering a rebuild?

Which is odd because everyone on this board has been saying it was Jake driving himself out?

Did anyone debate this point?

It's not an either/or. Guentzel wanted to get paid while Dubas didn't want to pay Guentzel as they were about to start a rebuild. Both sides got what they wanted out of the deal.

If Guentzel didn't want to negotiate in the season (which I've heard repeated but don't remember the initial source), I think it just made Dubas' decision easier. I think the Guentzel decision to trade him was driven by Dubas.

 

[Darren McCord]

Ron Hextall's impact on this roster is the Rust, Rakell, Letang, and Malkin contracts.

That's it.

And if hextall was still here we’d have Grandlund and Petry as anchors. Petry would have been a 6 mill dollar 3rd pairing defensemen.

You can’t say that’s it when dubas removed a lot of hextalls mistakes.

I get dubas replaced those with other mistakes but hextall had a lot of impact on how this roster was formed

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

And if hextall was still here we’d have Grandlund and Petry as anchors. Petry would have been a 6 mill dollar 3rd pairing defensemen.

You can’t say that’s it when dubas removed a lot of hextalls mistakes.

I get dubas replaced those with other mistakes but hextall had a lot of impact on how this roster was formed

Dubas replaced those mistakes with a marquee Hall of Fame, revenue-generating defenseman. Pretty fantastic move on his part

 

[Darren McCord]

Dubas replaced those mistakes with a marquee Hall of Fame, revenue-generating defenseman. Pretty fantastic move on his part

Ya but Accari and graves weren’t great. He did sign some trash contracts in FA. Jarry to an extent too

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The last three GMs have done bang-up jobs of freeing themselves from stupid mistakes only to burn the cap space on bullshit. I think it's fair to lampoon all of them.

 

[Gurglesons]

And if hextall was still here we’d have Grandlund and Petry as anchors. Petry would have been a 6 mill dollar 3rd pairing defensemen.

You can’t say that’s it when dubas removed a lot of hextalls mistakes.

I get dubas replaced those with other mistakes but hextall had a lot of impact on how this roster was formed

The roster that is currently made is on Dubas.

Hextall had very little impact on it.

We have Kevin Hayes and Ryan Graves as anchors instead of Granlund and Petry. Granlund put up 60 points on a bad team last year. He could've done that here since we have a bad team. Petry was a serviceable player in Detroit who outproduced Matheson at 5v5. Their contracts would also be up after this year giving us a ton of cap space to continue to acquire 2nd round picks.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

Ya but Accari and graves weren’t great. He did sign some trash contracts in FA. Jarry to an extent too

Fair on Acciari and Graves, but I think Dubas has enough elsewhere to wash that out. I don’t necessarily agree Jarry was a bad contract. And I am curious to see what ridding this team of Rierden does for the defensive group.

 

[eXile3]

Did anyone debate this point?

It's not an either/or. Guentzel wanted to get paid while Dubas didn't want to pay Guentzel as they were about to start a rebuild. Both sides got what they wanted out of the deal.

If Guentzel didn't want to negotiate in the season (which I've heard repeated but don't remember the initial source), I think it just made Dubas' decision easier. I think the Guentzel decision to trade him was driven by Dubas.

Because Jakes team did want to negotiate. There’s never been any evidence otherwise other than speculation. Dubas wanted to see if the team was worth re-signing him or if they should rebuild.

And there is zero reason to hate Jake for getting market value. Why would you take a pay cut so Dubas can sign more players like Graves? Sid is a feakin saint for doing it.

 

[The Old Master]

You've nailed it: my 2 fav sports are NHL and NFL and they have the polar opposite viewing experiences.

1. NFL best on TV and worst live. It's boring AF in person.
2. NHL is the opposite

But you make more money as an NFL owner with TV rights vs gate revenue.

The NFL could literally play in front of empty stadiums and they'd make a crazy amount of money.
The NHL would go defunct with such a scenario.

large, high def tv's are changing that somewhat.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Pavelski is in town because his son is playing in the USHL tournament or event or whatever at the complex.

Pfft, buzz kill.

The last three GMs have done bang-up jobs of freeing themselves from stupid mistakes only to burn the cap space on bullshit. I think it's fair to lampoon all of them.

It can easily be said that Jack Johnson was the worst signing because the team is STILL paying him.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It can easily be said that Jack Johnson was the worst signing because the team is STILL paying him.

I still can't believe that one to this day. It's like.. ya'll WEREN'T watching him get burned every night by this very team while he was in Columbus? Alright well if you insist I just... HOLY SHIT YOU'RE GONNA PAY HIM WHAT FOR HOW LONG?!?