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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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Empoleon8771 said:
I don't think Vancouver would do that though, they don't need another LD. They currently have Hughes, Cole and Soucy on RD, there just isn't a spot for POJ there.

They should be trying to do that with POJ, though. With what the Penguins need out of their bottom pair, the guys I want on that bottom pair are Ludvig and Shea.
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Agree…I don’t think LD is a need for them…but who knows
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I don't think Vancouver would do that though, they don't need another LD. They currently have Hughes, Cole and Soucy on RD, there just isn't a spot for POJ there.

They should be trying to do that with POJ, though. With what the Penguins need out of their bottom pair, the guys I want on that bottom pair are Ludvig and Shea.
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Yeah, you have Rudwedel, Smith, and Rathbone as the 7/8/9. Can add Butcher to that mix if he ever makes it back.

We aren't good trading partners with Vancouver at the moment.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I don't think Vancouver would do that though, they don't need another LD. They currently have Hughes, Cole and Soucy on RD, there just isn't a spot for POJ there.

They should be trying to do that with POJ, though. With what the Penguins need out of their bottom pair, the guys I want on that bottom pair are Ludvig and Shea.
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We'll take Soucy, too.

And to even out the cap, they can have Carter.

Boom.
 
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One more comment regarding POJ, I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if he actually has way less value than what people here think he would have. He plays a position that doesn't really seem to be a huge need around the NHL at this point (LD) and he hasn't really done anything of particular note in his NHL career so far. He hasn't been bad, but I'm not sure his NHL performance has been notable enough for teams to be particularly interested in him.

I've said this trade a couple of times, but I think the most logical POJ trade I can find right now is POJ to Chicago for Taylor Raddysh. Raddysh's point production is definitely inflated from playing in a higher role on a bad team and he is a flawed player, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the best you could do for POJ. I think if you shopped POJ around right now, you'd mostly be getting offers of O'Connor caliber bottom-6 forwards.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
One more comment regarding POJ, I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if he actually has way less value than what people here think he would have. He plays a position that doesn't really seem to be a huge need around the NHL at this point (LD) and he hasn't really done anything of particular note in his NHL career so far. He hasn't been bad, but I'm not sure his NHL performance has been notable enough for teams to be particularly interested in him.

I've said this trade a couple of times, but I think the most logical POJ trade I can find right now is POJ to Chicago for Taylor Raddysh. Raddysh's point production is definitely inflated from playing in a higher role on a bad team and he is a flawed player, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the best you could do for POJ. I think if you shopped POJ around right now, you'd mostly be getting offers of O'Connor caliber bottom-6 forwards.
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If we traded POJ last year his value would have definitely been higher. Something I wanted was him or Smith traded. Now both have tanked value.
 
chethejet said:
Dubas will be dealing with the rebuild sooner than next year If the Pens don't make a run here. that is year 3 of the keep the core and other assets here and that will end that, Sid is not under contract and I really think he should walk after next year. Trade Geno, Rust, Karlsson for picks to start the rebuild. I don't think the Pens tank here and no reason to. Letang who knows. If you don't sign Jake, trade him for a nice package at the TDL. Pens have Poulin and eventually Yagar to play center and who they sign or draft the next two years. A rebuild is not ideal but it needs to happen.
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I don't know why I'm even responding to this... other than it's Friday night and I've had an adult beverage.

#1 - The above will never happen, the core will retire here unless you think that the 1 in 1000 chance of Sid walking after next year comes to fruition. If that happens, it's Etch A Sketch time, wipe the whole thing and start over.

Andy99 said:
DK’s Friday Insider said the team is really happy with Shea and they think he’s been better than Graves lol…
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Uh, I'm not a fan of DK, quite the opposite in fact. But I'll say I've been happier with Shea's progression thus far than Graves.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I don't think Vancouver would do that though, they don't need another LD. They currently have Hughes, Cole and Soucy on RD, there just isn't a spot for POJ there.

They should be trying to do that with POJ, though. With what the Penguins need out of their bottom pair, the guys I want on that bottom pair are Ludvig and Shea.
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Couldn't agree more, Ludvig and Shea need to be a thing as soon as Ludvig is healthy.
 
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I saw this on a different site, and I thought it was pretty funny.
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FYI for all - Zohorna and Hinostroza were technically sent down today.

Dubas is really aggressive at manipulating the cap, especially compared to Hextall. So expect to see a lot of these paper transactions when possible.

 
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I don't think the cap quite works to do this, but one move I'd really love looking at is trading for Kubalik from Ottawa at 50%. He's seemingly fallen out of favor in Ottawa and is having a really rough start to the year (0 points in 7 games), but he had 45 points last year and has had 15 goals in every season of his NHL career. He really fits the skillset I think Eller and Zohorna need on their line.

He makes $2.5 million, so retaining 50% can get that down to $1.25 million. However, I still don't know of a way the Penguins can get the cap space for that. He'd also satisfies the concern that some people have of not having a guy who can step into the top-6 in case of an injury, Kubalik can absolutely do that:

 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I don't think the cap quite works to do this, but one move I'd really love looking at is trading for Kubalik from Ottawa at 50%. He's seemingly fallen out of favor in Ottawa and is having a really rough start to the year (0 points in 7 games), but he had 45 points last year and has had 15 goals in every season of his NHL career. He really fits the skillset I think Eller and Zohorna need on their line.

He makes $2.5 million, so retaining 50% can get that down to $1.25 million. However, I still don't know of a way the Penguins can get the cap space for that. He'd also satisfies the concern that some people have of not having a guy who can step into the top-6 in case of an injury, Kubalik can absolutely do that:

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He’d be an interesting piece, but doubt Ottawa is interested in retaining.
 
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Ottawa needs to shed salary, and the Pens are dollars under the cap. A third team would need to be added to the mix.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
FYI for all - Zohorna and Hinostroza were technically sent down today.

Dubas is really aggressive at manipulating the cap, especially compared to Hextall. So expect to see a lot of these paper transactions when possible.

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Except Hino played last night. So, I guess Carts getting some rest tonight is off.
 
We should have tried to trade Kapanen for Kubalik. Both players were in the same boat. When Kubalik wasn't qualified, we should have signed him. That should have been the move over getting Granlund. Or Bonino. It could have saved us a signing or two in the offseason here as well.

That all said, it's not like Kubalik has been helping himself this season. The Senators have a pretty sexy Top 9:

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Kubalik - Norris - Batherson
Joseph - Greig - Tarasenko

Though when you look at the lineups and how fans, at least, look at it, it's almost a 2016 Pens situation where you have Kunitz-Malkin-Rust and HBK. Which one is the 2nd line and which is the 3rd? It didn't really matter, both were used as offensive lines. Norris and Batherson are doing well and so is Joseph-Greig-Tarasenko. The odd man out in the entire top 9 is Kuablik who is 0-0-0 in GP. Which, given who he plays with, shouldn't be a thing. Ottawa isn't really running them as a defensive line either. Clearly, Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux is the top line and then it's like they have 2 2nd lines and then a 4th.

My worry seeing Kubalik's troubles is, "Well he's in an offensive position in Ottawa and clearly not doing well, how does he fair when he's put on the 3rd line with Zohorna and Eller and told to play low-event, low-risk hockey?" Does he fit with that bullshit Sullivan model? I have doubts. And make no mistake, that's much more on Sullivan than Kubalik.

If we want Kubalik here (and by most accounts, I would like that), Sullivan will have to change the 3rd line model of low-event, low-risk, play-to-even model. One win over the Avs doesn't mean Sullivan's system suddenly works. Sens will be running 3 scoring lines against us tonight. Our "2 scoring lines and 2 4ths lines prohibited from trying" will be exposed.
 
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