Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

[DesertedPenguin]

No they can't, they'd have to clear waivers before being sent down. Shea would have had to be waived today to be able to be sent down for the same tomorrow.

Their official roster that is set at 5 p.m. today will more than likely be 12 forwards, 8 defensemen, two goalies. As soon as that is filed and registered as cap compliant, they'll send Shea down and recall Zohorna.

Or they have a trade in the works for Shea or Ruhwedel.

 

[WickedWrister]

The streak still lives!! (Per Seth Rorabaugh)

 

[DesertPenguin]

If all Ludvig does is PK as the 6th D, and he does it well, I'm happy here. Ruhwedel isn't that guy. I haven't seen enough of Shea to know if he's that guy.

We send Zohorna down, Jake plays game 1, and then a move happens on D by game 2 or 3 in order to bring Zoho back up. Shea down, Ruhwedel down, or they decide Ludvig isn't who they thought he was and they cut him loose.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Their official roster that is set at 5 p.m. today will more than likely be 12 forwards, 8 defensemen, two goalies. As soon as that is filed and registered as cap compliant, they'll send Shea down and recall Zohorna.

Or they have a trade in the works for Shea or Ruhwedel.

They can't do that before tomorrow's game because Shea is waiver eligible. That's my point, they either have to run with 12 F and 8 D for tomorrow's game or they have to make a trade to move a defenseman.

 

[McGroarty2]

Can they trade Ruhwedel for a peanut shell?

 

[Gurglesons]

They can't do that before tomorrow's game because Shea is waiver eligible. That's my point, they either have to run with 12 F and 8 D for tomorrow's game or they have to make a trade to move a defenseman.

Why would it matter if we run 12F tomorrow? We can only run 12 F unless we aren’t running 6D.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why would it matter if we run 12F tomorrow? We can only run 12 F unless we aren’t running 6D.

Because if a guy gets hurt in warmups, you're not going to have an extra forward to sub in? Especially considering Guentzel didn't play in any games in the pre-season and is still rehabbing his ankle.

Having to go with 11 F and 7 D on the first game of the season because of a miscalculation seems like a pretty unforced and unnecessary error to me.

 

[Zbynek]

We can waive Shea tomorrow and bring Z back up for the game.

Either way it probably hints that Jake is healthy.

Exactly, just means Shea is getting waived next.

Ruhwedel getting traded? A wet dream for HFboards, but not on Sully's watch...

Because if a guy gets hurt in warmups, you're not going to have an extra forward to sub in? Especially considering Guentzel didn't play in any games in the pre-season and is still rehabbing his ankle.

Having to go with 11 F and 7 D on the first game of the season because of a miscalculation seems like a pretty unforced and unnecessary error to me.

Why can't we waive Shea tomorrow?

 

[McGroarty2]

Because if a guy gets hurt in warmups, you're not going to have an extra forward to sub in? Especially considering Guentzel didn't play in any games in the pre-season and is still rehabbing his ankle.

Having to go with 11 F and 7 D on the first game of the season because of a miscalculation seems like a pretty unforced and unnecessary error to me.

Or 10 F and 8 D if Carter's anal warts that he got from Hartnell's wife act up.

 

[Andy99]

is There any requirement if you pick up a guy on waivers he has to stay on the NHL roster for a period of time, like they do in the NFL? If not, then why not just waive Shea or this new guy tomorrow after teams have set their rosters? Concern FLA would just pick him up again?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why can't we waive Shea tomorrow?

You can't send a player to the AHL until they clear waivers and Shea wouldn't clear waivers until Wednesday.

It's not the end of the world of course, but I'm not entirely sure why they didn't waive either Shea or Ruhwedel in the past few days and put themselves in this mildly annoying situation for the first game of the season. They waived Zohorna to have extra flexibility at F, so why didn't they waive Shea to have that same exact flexibility on D? I don't really understand that.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

They can't do that before tomorrow's game because Shea is waiver eligible. That's my point, they either have to run with 12 F and 8 D for tomorrow's game or they have to make a trade to move a defenseman.

They haven't announced anything with their remaining PTOs - Wagner, Hajek and Psysk.

I wonder if something is afoot with them, including a potential trade that balances things out.

Or they just run with 12-8-2 for tomorrow and then recall Zohorna Wednesday. I think it's clear they wanted the room to claim someone if there was the possibility that a target emerged.

 

[Zbynek]

You can't send a player to the AHL until they clear waivers and Shea wouldn't clear waivers until Wednesday.

It's not the end of the world of course, but I'm not entirely sure why they didn't waive either Shea or Ruhwedel in the past few days and put themselves in this mildly annoying situation for the first game of the season. They waived Zohorna to have extra flexibility at F, so why didn't they waive Shea to have that same exact flexibility on D? I don't really understand that.

I think this move just means Guentzel is ready to go for Game 1. So waiting another day to determine 7D doesnt matter anyway

 

[Jacob]

No NHL coach is going to throw a d-man with zero NHL experience out onto the PK.

It took them like 4 years to finally get Petts on the PK.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think this move just means Guentzel is ready to go for Game 1. So waiting another day to determine 7D doesnt matter anyway

The issue is that one injury in warmups will make them have to play with 7 D in the season opener. The issue is not having a spare forward in case of an injury, not who the 7th defenseman is.

Again, it's not a big deal because they can just waive Shea tomorrow and have a 13th forward for the remaining 81 games. But it seems like an unforced error for the first game of the season that could have easily been solved by just waiving Shea like they did with Zohorna, I don't really understand why they didn't do that.

 

[Zbynek]

The issue is that one injury in warmups will make them have to play with 7 D in the season opener. The issue is not having a spare forward in case of an injury, not who the 7th defenseman is.

Again, it's not a big deal because they can just waive Shea tomorrow and have a 13th forward for the remaining 81 games. But it seems like an unforced error for the first game of the season that could have easily been solved by just waiving Shea like they did with Zohorna, I don't really understand why they didn't do that.

Yea thats true about warmups. Guess this is just how Dubas operates. Kinda like it though. Wheeling and dealing. Did Hextall sign a single PTO during his tenure as the Pens GM?

 

[SomeDude]

They haven't announced anything with their remaining PTOs - Wagner, Hajek and Psysk.

I wonder if something is afoot with them, including a potential trade that balances things out.

Pysyk is hurt. Not a sure how injured PTOs work. I know guys who are clearly going back to juniors who get hurt at camp usually still show up on the NHL roster injury report until they’re cleared and officially get sent back,

Could be trying to sign them to AHL deals and the players are seeing if anyone else will give them a 2-way deal. A lot of vets already headed to WBS, though.

Did Hextall sign a single PTO during his tenure as the Pens GM?

Wait until we find out Carter’s contract also gives him PTO’s with the Pens until he’s 75.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The other aspect that could be in play here is signing Pysyk, putting him on LTIR before the season starts and then being able to run with a 23 man roster with Pysyk's LTIR space. I think it would be the off-season LTIR, which works a bit differently than the in-season LTIR, but I'm not entirely sure whether that would be legal.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

The other aspect that could be in play here is signing Pysyk, putting him on LTIR before the season starts and then being able to run with a 23 man roster with Pysyk's LTIR space. I think it would be the off-season LTIR, which works a bit differently than the in-season LTIR, but I'm not entirely sure whether that would be legal.

This is what I'm thinking. I'm not sure of the mechanics or if it actually works, but it does make you wonder.

We'll find out in less than two hours.

 

[deakka]

The issue is that one injury in warmups will make them have to play with 7 D in the season opener. The issue is not having a spare forward in case of an injury, not who the 7th defenseman is.

Again, it's not a big deal because they can just waive Shea tomorrow and have a 13th forward for the remaining 81 games. But it seems like an unforced error for the first game of the season that could have easily been solved by just waiving Shea like they did with Zohorna, I don't really understand why they didn't do that.

Probably because if another team put a claim on Ludvig they didn't wanna risk losing Shea on waivers as well before they knew they had a replacement.

 

[pistolpete11]

It would be the most Penguin thing ever to have a forward get hurt in warm ups for the first game of the year when they only have 12F on the roster

 

[The Old Master]

The issue is that one injury in warmups will make them have to play with 7 D in the season opener. The issue is not having a spare forward in case of an injury, not who the 7th defenseman is.

it's no biggie. 1 game at the very start of the year with every one fresh and healthy. now is the very best time to do it.

 

[MrBrightside]

I mean, it's not ideal to not have an extra guy for warmups but having either 12 forwards or 6 defensemen (or both) healthy enough to play in the cap crunch era is not that unusual. The .1% chance of a pregame injury and then playing 7 D against Chicago is hardly something to make roster decisions based on.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is what I'm thinking. I'm not sure of the mechanics or if it actually works, but it does make you wonder.

We'll find out in less than two hours.

Yeah I think my money is on signing Pysyk and throwing him on LTIR. Puckpedia makes me believe this is possible:

If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap

So what the Penguins could do is:

1. Send Zohorna down and have $171k in cap space with 12 F, 8 D and 2 Gs
2. Sign Pysyk to a 1 year, $950k deal, putting them at $-780k in cap space with a 23 man roster.
3. Put Pysyk on LTIR, which increases their upper limit by $780k to about $84.3 million.
4. Call back up Zohorna and have a 23 man roster with about $200k in cap space.

Once Pysyk is healthy, you can either waive Shea or Ludvig and keep Pysyk up or just waive Pysyk and send him to WBS. His salary is low enough to be buried in the AHL. You don't have to sign Pysyk to that amount, I just picked that amount so they're able to go over the cap by 1 full $775k player.

 

[Freeptop]

Their official roster that is set at 5 p.m. today will more than likely be 12 forwards, 8 defensemen, two goalies. As soon as that is filed and registered as cap compliant, they'll send Shea down and recall Zohorna.

Or they have a trade in the works for Shea or Ruhwedel.

Or a trade for Joseph...
(I'm not saying I'd want that, but unlike Shea, Joseph wasn't brought in by Dubas, both Shea and Ludvig are LD, and Joseph has the highest cap hit of those three; here's to hoping it is Ruhwedel, though).