Proposal: Penguins sell-off trades (Canucks, Avalanche, Kings and Predators)

[Toby Flenderson]

First 3 deals sure. Definitely not to #4. Letang is worth more to the franchise and the locker room than that measly return.

I also don’t buy Dubas’s BS about “everyone but Sid is available”. No way he trades Malkin or Letang. They are lifers.

Trading away either Malkin or Letang would certainly piss off Sid. And if Dubas asked his opinion first the answer I’m guessing would be NO

 

[HockeyVirus]

First 3 deals sure. Definitely not to #4. Letang is worth more to the franchise and the locker room than that measly return.

I also don’t buy Dubas’s BS about “everyone but Sid is available”. No way he trades Malkin or Letang. They are lifers.

Trading away either Malkin or Letang would certainly piss off Sid. And if Dubas asked his opinion first the answer I’m guessing would be NO

trading Letang is like the Sharks trading Karlsson. Pretty obvious the wheels are about to come off, they would be smart to trade him at his value because it will only go down hill from here. If they can get an asset back without retaining they should do it even if it is a 7th

 

[BKarchitect]

As an Avs fan, I’d probably just want to a deal around DOC. He’d be a useful addition. Especially if Landeskog’s return doesn’t go as hoped.

If Nedeljkovic is playing good as the deadline approaches and if the Avs have no other great options, he could be interesting as a veteran platoon guy they can also bring back next season (similar to what the Devils did grabbing Allen last TDL). But Georgiev has stabilized enough to be fine for now. No Avs fan trusts him when it matters, but until a real “1A” solution presents itself, I don’t think assets should be spent going towards “meh” solutions…it just takes ammo out of the cupboard for other options.

 

[JoeSakic13]

The Avs deal is a fair trade in value, but I feel l (or at least hope) Colorado would go for a bigger trade target if they were looking to grab a goalie at this point.

They’re turning to Georgie (currently) again as their starter and Annunen has shown he can hold his own as well. So if they make a change (which IMO they should) I can see it being for a game breaker netminder. Nedel is a solid netminder, but he’s too close to a lateral upgrade at this point.

 

[Beauner]

trading Letang is like the Sharks trading Karlsson. Pretty obvious the wheels are about to come off, they would be smart to trade him at his value because it will only go down hill from here. If they can get an asset back without retaining they should do it even if it is a 7th

Yeah, trade a franchise icon who had loads of success here for a 7th just because. They're not gonna need that cap space within 3 years, let them f***ing ride off in peace

 

[HockeyVirus]

Yeah, trade a franchise icon who had loads of success here for a 7th just because. They're not gonna need that cap space within 3 years, let them f***ing ride off in peace

Well are you keeping them to ride off into the sunset or trying to trade them? This is a thread about selling off pieces with the rumors of a firesale.

Letang is already a cap dump and has several years left. He is going to be unmoveable. That is why you get rid of him now if you are going to do it. If you want to parade his corpse around another few years for nostalgia and to honor him for the cups won, be my guest. But from an asset value standpoint, shit or get off the pot you know?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Lmao...


He's 28 years old and has 150 starts. Only 1 year in his entire career has he been an actual starting goalie, and he put up well below average numbers.


He's awful. Georgiev is also awful and I f***ing hate him, but I will glady take my changes on him finding his game over paying a 2nd round pick for another pile of garbage. At least Georgiev actually has multiple years of legitimate starters workloads and even has one strong statistical season as a starting goalie.


As for O'Connor. We dont need him. We have plenty of cheap depth with a number of guys showing they can contribute positively during the start of this year. Especially when it comes to wingers, that's the last thing we need.

And this somehow doesn't apply to Georgiyev?

If you want to argue that Nedjelkovic is just more of a platoon guy, you won't have much disagreement from anyone, but Georgiyev sucks ass and even Nedjelkovic being a 1B goalie is an upgrade on him.

Well are you keeping them to ride off into the sunset or trying to trade them? This is a thread about selling off pieces with the rumors of a firesale.

Letang is already a cap dump and has several years left. He is going to be unmoveable. That is why you get rid of him now if you are going to do it. If you want to parade his corpse around another few years for nostalgia and to honor him for the cups won, be my guest. But from an asset value standpoint, shit or get off the pot you know?

If that's the case they would just keep him then.

They're already going to be trading Karlsson next off-season I bet, so keeping Letang to be a mentor for the young defensemen (namely Pickering and Brunicke, plus Pettersson in this hypothetical deal) would make more sense than trading him for the sake of trading him.

I know I'm the one who made the proposals but I'd walk that Letang one back. Since EK is almost assuredly gone sometime next off-season or next season, I think keeping Letang to be a mentor for the young guys would make more sense.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Avs deal is a fair trade in value, but I feel l (or at least hope) Colorado would go for a bigger trade target if they were looking to grab a goalie at this point.

They’re turning to Georgie (currently) again as their starter and Annunen has shown he can hold his own as well. So if they make a change (which IMO they should) I can see it being for a game breaker netminder. Nedel is a solid netminder, but he’s too close to a lateral upgrade at this point.

I think this is totally a fair interpretation. Ned is a 1B goalie that is likely an upgrade on Georgiyev but not really one you can ride to a cup. I think Nedjelkovic as a platoon goalie for someone like Edmonton with Skinner would make more sense with that.

 

[dgibb10]

Not to be picky because this is a win win deal for both, but D Petey is already playing in the AHL and has the size/snarl we will lack in the future.

Id prefer to offer Sawyer Mynio in his place.

Mynio, Desharnais, 2nd
For
Pettersson @ 50%

And then Canucks still have their 1st and Hoglander for a later trade.

That shit is not getting you the best dmen on the market lmao, make that 2nd a 1st

 

[HockeyVirus]

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If that's the case they would just keep him then.

They're already going to be trading Karlsson next off-season I bet, so keeping Letang to be a mentor for the young defensemen (namely Pickering and Brunicke, plus Pettersson in this hypothetical deal) would make more sense than trading him for the sake of trading him.

I know I'm the one who made the proposals but I'd walk that Letang one back. Since EK is almost assuredly gone sometime next off-season or next season, I think keeping Letang to be a mentor for the young guys would make more sense.

Wouldn't it make more sense to trade the 38 year old not the 33 year old?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Wouldn't it make more sense to trade the 38 year old not the 33 year old?

You'd get way more for Karlsson than you would for Letang IMO. Also Karlsson doesn't have the connection to the team that Letang has.

I think if the Penguins retain Karlsson down to a $6.1 million AAV (Letang's current cap hit), they'd get some decent futures for him. I'm skeptical they'd bring back a 1st but maybe a 2nd and a prospect or two. But Letang? I'm honestly unsure if he even has positive value, which is why I noted the proposal in the OP was a super aggressive ask from the Predators.

The comparable to Letang is Brent Burns, who was moved for a 3rd and scraps with 3 years and $5.25 million left on his deal.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Trade 4:

Penguins trade Letang
Predators trade Carrier and a 2025 3rd

Think this one may be too aggressive of an ask from the Predators, but Letang adds another legitimate OFD thread from their blueline behind Josi. Penguins get a worse but younger RD to replace Letang and more futures.

I think this one is a long-shot due to Nashville's struggles to start this year, but I doubt they'd just throw in the towel after signing Stamkos and Marchessault last year. They also have 3 1sts this year, so I could see them being willing to sacrifice some futures to get better now.

Hm, I’d consider giving you the 3rd if you’ll take Carrier? But I don’t want Letang back.

I would have more interest in Pettersson for the Preds actually.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

In for DOC, out for Ned. DOC - ? - LOC would be a fun bottom-6 line

 

[SEALBound]

1-3 are realistic trades with likely returns. I'd do any or all of them.

The 4th one though is a little tougher for me to see.

 

[Kurrilino]

The Kings are cruising towards a rebuild.
I wouldn't give away picks for 30+ year old players

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Nedjelkovic is pretty clearly an upgrade on Georgiyev and O'Connor just adds more solid cheap depth for the Avs.

Also, why are you acting like a 2nd in 2 years is some insane value either? The Avs traded basically the same thing for a rental Lars Eller with 16 points in 60 games like a year and a half ago. The value they're trading is basically 2 3rds this year, which is hardly unreasonable for Nedjelkovic and O'Connor

Just because they wasted a second before doesn’t mean they should do it again.

 

[Warh1ppy]

unsure deal 1 has any interest to the Vancouver club.

By all reports they like E. Pettersson a lot. He represents something they really don't have in the system. a mobile defenseman of size that is willing to throw the body and can commit a break out pass.

Don't know why they'd give that up for a guy who might essentially be the same player he becomes (on the low end?) but 8 years older or something on a larger contract.

Although, that is actually the Canucks org MO going back like a decade or more

 

[EVDV]

You're failing to consider that this would give the Canucks a Pettersson - Pettersson pairing in the next few years, which is hilarious

I just want to see a goal from Pettersson assisted by Pettersson and Pettersson.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just because they wasted a second before doesn’t mean they should do it again.

I don't really see how trading a 2nd for improved depth is "wasting a 2nd". It's what almost every contender does every year.

Trading basically the value of 2 3rds for 2 depth improvements is completely standard for a contending team to do. The concerns about how much of an upgrade Nedjelkovic is on what they have is valid, so it's more of a team fit than anything.

unsure deal 1 has any interest to the Vancouver club.

By all reports they like E. Pettersson a lot. He represents something they really don't have in the system. a mobile defenseman of size that is willing to throw the body and can commit a break out pass.

Don't know why they'd give that up for a guy who might essentially be the same player he becomes (on the low end?) but 8 years older or something on a larger contract.

Although, that is actually the Canucks org MO going back like a decade or more

Because the Canucks are trying to win? I don't doubt they like Pettersson a lot, but the point is for them to get a rental that helps them win now and try to go on a run now. I also wouldn't be surprised for them to re-sign Pettersson, especially with the JR connection.

 

[Warh1ppy]

I don't really see how trading a 2nd for improved depth is "wasting a 2nd". It's what almost every contender does every year.

Trading basically the value of 2 3rds for 2 depth improvements is completely standard for a contending team to do. The concerns about how much of an upgrade Nedjelkovic is on what they have is valid, so it's more of a team fit than anything.



Because the Canucks are trying to win? I don't doubt they like Pettersson a lot, but the point is for them to get a rental that helps them win now and try to go on a run now. I also wouldn't be surprised for them to re-sign Pettersson, especially with the JR connection.

They're trying to win the same way the Pens are. By hanging on.

 

[BaileyFan]

These proposals also have the Kyle Dubas tax included on them, so they may seem odd targeting future picks and mediocre returns but that seems to be Dubas' strategy.

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Marcus Pettersson at 50%
Canucks trade Desharnais, Elias Pettersson (D-man) and a 2025 2nd

Pettersson immediately slides onto the 2nd pair to play with Myers, which makes the Canucks 3rd pair Soucy-Brannstrom. Elias is a good stylistic replacement for Marcus as a prospect and the 2025 2nd replaces the one they don't have. Desharnais is mostly included for cap, but he's a guy who can play regular minutes now and likely can bring back another mid round pick next year.

Trade 2:

Penguins trade O'Connor and Nedjelkovic
Avs trade a 2027 2nd and 2025 4th

Pretty simple one, Avs get some goaltending help and cheap forward depth and the Penguins get more futures. I think a 3rd for each of O'Connor and Nedjelkovic is fair, but since the Avs don't have any 3rds in the next 2 years, I made it a 2nd in 2 years the line and a 4th this year.

Note I'm not sure of the cap implications of this with Colorado, it's only them adding about $3 million but I don't know if they have the cap space to add $3 million right now. Since it seems like Landeskog is done, I think they may have the LTIR space for it though.

Trade 3:

Penguins trade Rakell
Kings trade Kaliyev and a 2026 2nd

Kings get a righty scoring winger that should be able to help out with their mediocre total scoring (15th) and PP% (24th). The Kings also have very few righty shots in their forward group, so I think adding Rakell gives them a bit more balance with that. Penguins get an interesting reclamation project in Kaliyev and another 2nd in 2026. I'd also be interested in Turcotte as that "interesting reclamation project" but I think there's no chance the Kings would go for that.

I think the cap could be complicated for the Kings trade as well, it largely depends on when Doughty is projected to be healthy.

Trade 4:

Penguins trade Letang
Predators trade Carrier and a 2025 3rd

Think this one may be too aggressive of an ask from the Predators, but Letang adds another legitimate OFD thread from their blueline behind Josi. Penguins get a worse but younger RD to replace Letang and more futures.

I think this one is a long-shot due to Nashville's struggles to start this year, but I doubt they'd just throw in the towel after signing Stamkos and Marchessault last year. They also have 3 1sts this year, so I could see them being willing to sacrifice some futures to get better now.

The Blake tax largely cancels out the Dubas tax so the Kings would be giving up something like Kaliyev + 2025 1st + 2026 2nd for Rakell.

 

[Empoleon8771]

They're trying to win the same way the Pens are. By hanging on.

I sincerely doubt a JR led team with a bunch of prime aged players is going to sit on its hands at the deadline. Especially after what they did last year.

Not only that, they're also 10th in point% so far this year.

 

[SEALBound]

They're trying to win the same way the Pens are. By hanging on.

I think once the Avs get healthy again, get Nuke back, and fill the gaping hole in net - I think they will turn it around. With Rantanen being a UFA and MacKinnon already 29, if they want another cup, they need to go for it. There is no more wait and see or develop for next year for the Avs. These are the years to go for it. Most of their roster is late 20s. Hell, even Makar is 26 and Toews is 30. A 2nd in 2025 isn't going to help them. Neds and DOC could help this year and next.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

The Avs deal is a fair trade in value, but I feel l (or at least hope) Colorado would go for a bigger trade target if they were looking to grab a goalie at this point.

They’re turning to Georgie (currently) again as their starter and Annunen has shown he can hold his own as well. So if they make a change (which IMO they should) I can see it being for a game breaker netminder. Nedel is a solid netminder, but he’s too close to a lateral upgrade at this point.

I think what complicates things is that Nabokov looks like he could be that game breaker netminder in the near future, possibly as soon as next year. The prospect of having a guy like him on his ELC makes me wary of spending the assets it would take to get someone who would be an immediate and long term upgrade.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I think what complicates things is that Nabokov looks like he could be that game breaker netminder in the near future, possibly as soon as next year. The prospect of having a guy like him on his ELC makes me wary of spending the assets it would take to get someone who would be an immediate and long term upgrade.

I disagree as they have a top tier team now. You never know what can happen between now and when/if Nabokov is ready.

If you told me that after the cup win they’d lose immediately 2 key players (Kadri and Landy) from their top 6 and sporadically a 3rd in Nuke? I’d get worried their goalie situation. Compact that with the downgrade of the d-core from things such as moving Byram and Toews’ (possibly injury related) regression? I’d have said they should have swung for the fences on a goalie.