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Honour Over Glory said:
Nuke-Geno-Rakell/Rust would have been a dream.

Nuke would also be amazing with Blueger.
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I know we both were really hot on him last time he was moved.

I wonder if you let Rust walk if you get Nuke and run..

GGuentse
Honour Over Glory said:
Nuke-Geno-Rakell/Rust would have been a dream.

Nuke would also be amazing with Blueger.
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Guentzel - Crosby - Rakell
Zucker - Malkin - Nuke
 
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Gurglesons said:
I know we both were really hot on him last time he was moved.

I wonder if you let Rust walk if you get Nuke and run..

GGuentse


Guentzel - Crosby - Rakell
Zucker - Malkin - Nuke
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If Rust walks, I'd be down to see Hextall go after him. Or if Malkin walks I wonder who Hextall gets as the rw for Giroux as our 2nd c, haha.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
I would re-sign Geno at any number. I don’t want to see him in another jersey.

All Geno has done is happily play second fiddle to the only center better than him in his generation. Dude cares a lot and has constantly had to put up with made up trade stuff, weird dislike from some media/fans, and being painted as “enigmatic Russian” when he’s proven to be a team guy over and over.

Yeah I’m a fan of the Pens first but I would be pissed if he walks for any reason but his own choice.
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This. All 3 of these guys have deserved the right to choose their own destiny when their contracts are up. They have also alll stated how much they like playing together, and playing in Pittsburgh. Sure it could just be lip service, but I choose to believe it's genuine. Call it nostalgic, but I'd gladly go down with this ship rather than watch them play out one year contracts on teams I don't want to see them on. I wouldn't mind seeing Geno or Sid in like Colorado or LA, but I'd hate to see them on any Eastern team.

Theres also rumors MAF wants to come back which, at the right price, would be a great 1A,1B situation with Jarry. This makes at least the second season where Jarry's numbers have dipped in the second half so we clearly need someone we can trust for more games. MAF I think, would also be a reason for Letang to stay. Say what you will about him, but we don't have an internal replacement, and theres no one hitting the market this summer that would replace him.
 
I think Nuke coming here is a pipe dream. I agree he would work great with Malkin, but the only reason he would leave Colorado for here would be a price tag we likely can't afford.
 
StaalForOne said:
This. All 3 of these guys have deserved the right to choose their own destiny when their contracts are up. They have also alll stated how much they like playing together, and playing in Pittsburgh. Sure it could just be lip service, but I choose to believe it's genuine. Call it nostalgic, but I'd gladly go down with this ship rather than watch them play out one year contracts on teams I don't want to see them on. I wouldn't mind seeing Geno or Sid in like Colorado or LA, but I'd hate to see them on any Eastern team.

Theres also rumors MAF wants to come back which, at the right price, would be a great 1A,1B situation with Jarry. This makes at least the second season where Jarry's numbers have dipped in the second half so we clearly need someone we can trust for more games. MAF I think, would also be a reason for Letang to stay. Say what you will about him, but we don't have an internal replacement, and theres no one hitting the market this summer that would replace him.
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Agree with everything you said EXCEPT for MAF

He's too expensive to bring back on a team already likely strapped. CDS is an adequate backup. Let's move on from past ex GF's...
 
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Honour Over Glory said:
If Rust walks, I'd be down to see Hextall go after him. Or if Malkin walks I wonder who Hextall gets as the rw for Giroux as our 2nd c, haha.
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I am all for letting Rust walk. He will be on the wrong side of 30 after signing his next deal and won’t be bringing this ‘contract year’ level of play going forward, IMO. And on top of that, will command a heft raise.

Problem with Nuke is that, Rust has more talent in his pinky finger than Nuke has in his whole body. I don’t trust his unsustainable S% this year, and his numbers in every other year have been dismal. He’s 27, he is what he is at this point and is riding a high S% on the best team in the league. No thanks.

I’d let Rust walk and throw the vault at Forsberg in UFA and failing that, explore bringing in someone like Max Domi a little bit.
 
Gurglesons said:
I know we both were really hot on him last time he was moved.

I wonder if you let Rust walk if you get Nuke and run..

GGuentse


Guentzel - Crosby - Rakell
Zucker - Malkin - Nuke
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Nichushkin is one of the only UFAs I'd be genuinely interested in this, but he is still FAR inferior to Rust. He would be great in addition to Rust, but he's not a replacement for him.

I also think COL re-signs him. They're not going to lose all 3 of Kadri, Nichushkin and Burakovsky. Since Kadri is amost 100% gone, I think they re-sign Nuke before Burakovsky. I think they will re-sign both, let Kadri walk and trade JT Compher.

I still think Rust gets a little underrated by some around here thinking he's so easily replacable. There are 2 UFA wingers who are clearly better than him (Forsberg and Gaudreau), and then there is a massive drop off after Rust to whoever is #4 and 5 and beyond on the list of best wingers.
 
Max Domi has two (2) goals in his last 47 games played, btw.

January 6th, and February 17th. That's it. Those are his goals in 2022.
 
Goalie_Bob said:
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That’s my point, Rust is a damn fine hockey player who gets vastly underrated, and it’s why we have to do everything we can to re-sign him, and that’s why he’s worth 6.5 or even 7.0M

Those stats aside, I don’t think there’s a single GM in the league who would say Rust is better than Forsberg. FF is still a notch above, aside from being 2 years younger. Rust’s stat’s would not be superior to FF if he had to play with Johanson as his C instead of Crosby.
 
jmelm said:
That’s my point, Rust is a damn fine hockey player who gets vastly underrated, and it’s why we have to do everything we can to re-sign him, and that’s why he’s worth 6.5 or even 7.0M

Those stats aside, I don’t think there’s a single GM in the league who would say Rust is better than Forsberg. FF is still a notch above, aside from being 2 years younger. Rust’s stat’s would not be superior to FF if he had to play with Johanson as his C instead of Crosby.
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Or if he didn't get first go at empty nets lol
 
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TheGoldenJet said:
I am all for letting Rust walk. He will be on the wrong side of 30 after signing his next deal and won’t be bringing this ‘contract year’ level of play going forward, IMO. And on top of that, will command a heft raise.

Problem with Nuke is that, Rust has more talent in his pinky finger than Nuke has in his whole body. I don’t trust his unsustainable S% this year, and his numbers in every other year have been dismal. He’s 27, he is what he is at this point and is riding a high S% on the best team in the league. No thanks.

I’d let Rust walk and throw the vault at Forsberg in UFA and failing that, explore bringing in someone like Max Domi a little bit.
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I don't think Forsberg is going to go to FA. And it's not like Forsberg is significantly better than Rust, so if you're willing to "throw the vault" at him, you may as well throw it at Rust and even potentially save a few bucks.

Be interesting to see what Domi gets in the off season. Tough to gauge his value. If we moved on from Zucker or ERod and Rust leaves, I would be okay with that.

Jake-Sid-Malkin
Zucker-Carter-Rakell
Heinen-Domi-Kapanen
Boyle-Bleuger-McGinn

Something like that. I would even be willing to try a Domi-Bleuger-Kapanen line.
 
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SEALBound said:
I don't think Forsberg is going to go to FA. And it's not like Forsberg is significantly better than Rust, so if you're willing to "throw the vault" at him, you may as well throw it at Rust and even potentially save a few bucks.

Be interesting to see what Domi gets in the off season. Tough to gauge his value. If we moved on from Zucker or ERod and Rust leaves, I would be okay with that.

Jake-Sid-Malkin
Zucker-Carter-Rakell
Heinen-Domi-Kapanen
Boyle-Bleuger-McGinn

Something like that. I would even be willing to try a Domi-Bleuger-Kapanen line.
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Barf. Domi blows, especially at C. He couldn't even play C in Columbus.

Also, Heinen? Seriously? I'll take Domi over Heinen, but that's not saying much.

Carter doesn't have enough gas left in the tank to play 2C over an 82 game schedule.

DOC will be on the team next year, and Zohorna most likely as well.

I see our lineup next year as having 2 scoring lines, then a traditional 3rd line (Blueger line), and then a 4th line that's non-traditional, because it will have talented scoring players and will get a bit more ice-time than the traditional 4th line. I would like to see that line get about 11-12 minutes/game and look something like DOC--Carter--Kapanen, or Zohorna--Carter--Kapanen (or something like that)
 
jmelm said:
That’s my point, Rust is a damn fine hockey player who gets vastly underrated, and it’s why we have to do everything we can to re-sign him, and that’s why he’s worth 6.5 or even 7.0M

Those stats aside, I don’t think there’s a single GM in the league who would say Rust is better than Forsberg. FF is still a notch above, aside from being 2 years younger. Rust’s stat’s would not be superior to FF if he had to play with Johanson as his C instead of Crosby.
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I don't know if I believe this or not. I don't believe are the direct products of their center. Rust has played well enough consistently with and without Crosby. Johanson isn't Crosby or Malkin but it's not like he's a slouch either.
 
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jmelm said:
Barf. Domi blows, especially at C. He couldn't even play C in Columbus.

Also, Heinen? Seriously? I'll take Domi over Heinen, but that's not saying much.

Carter doesn't have enough gas left in the tank to play 2C over an 82 game schedule.

DOC will be on the team next year, and Zohorna most likely as well.

I see our lineup next year as having 2 scoring lines, then a traditional 3rd line (Blueger line), and then a 4th line that's non-traditional, because it will have talented scoring players and will get a bit more ice-time than the traditional 4th line. I would like to see that line get about 11-12 minutes/game and look something like DOC--Carter--Kapanen, or Zohorna--Carter--Kapanen (or something like that)
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That's why I reconfigured Domi to wing in the next lineup.

What's wrong with Heinen? He's a RFA and will come cheap. Can play up and down the lineup as well. Who are we getting at that price point that is worth pursuing?
 
SEALBound said:
I don't think Forsberg is going to go to FA. And it's not like Forsberg is significantly better than Rust, so if you're willing to "throw the vault" at him, you may as well throw it at Rust and even potentially save a few bucks.

Be interesting to see what Domi gets in the off season. Tough to gauge his value. If we moved on from Zucker or ERod and Rust leaves, I would be okay with that.

Jake-Sid-Malkin
Zucker-Carter-Rakell
Heinen-Domi-Kapanen
Boyle-Bleuger-McGinn

Something like that. I would even be willing to try a Domi-Bleuger-Kapanen line.
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Forsberg is 3 years younger and simply a better player, in my opinion.
 
TheGoldenJet said:
I am all for letting Rust walk. He will be on the wrong side of 30 after signing his next deal and won’t be bringing this ‘contract year’ level of play going forward, IMO. And on top of that, will command a heft raise.

Problem with Nuke is that, Rust has more talent in his pinky finger than Nuke has in his whole body. I don’t trust his unsustainable S% this year, and his numbers in every other year have been dismal. He’s 27, he is what he is at this point and is riding a high S% on the best team in the league. No thanks.

I’d let Rust walk and throw the vault at Forsberg in UFA and failing that, explore bringing in someone like Max Domi a little bit.
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I don't think you get who Nuke was before his hip surgery and how Dallas used him before he left. What you're seeing now with Nuke is him back on track with what his development was trending him towards since he joined the Avs.

It was last season where he got hurt again and he spent more time in the gym to get back to being stronger that he really turned a corner. He has been what you're seeing, since that injury return last season.

He started with 4 in 20 games for points. Then in the next 35 he put up 17 and hasn't looked back with increasing his production. Yeah I'd sign him.
 
SEALBound said:
That's why I reconfigured Domi to wing in the next lineup.

What's wrong with Heinen? He's a RFA and will come cheap. Can play up and down the lineup as well. Who are we getting at that price point that is worth pursuing?
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Why do we need someone "at that price"? If we're successful in being able to retain all or most of our UFAs, we're going to need to have less expensive players -- enter the NHL ready prospects: DOC, Zohorna, and the outside chance of a 3rd guy (one of Puusy, Bjorkqvist, Hallander in particular).

DOC, Zohorna and any of those other guys would be making league minimum. Heinen has probably earned himself a contract in the 1.5M range. Even still, I'd way rather have DOC over Heinen, and Zohorna has to clear waivers (which he wouldn't clear) if he didn't make the big club. Bjorkqvist also is not waiver exempt, but I don't know the organizations thoughts about him and if they see him as part of our future or not.

An example of a line up that I'm perfectly comfortable with that incorporates the above would look like this:

Guentzel--Crosby--Rakell/Rust
Zucker--Malkin--Rust/Rakell
Zohorna/DOC--Blueger--McGinn
DOC/Zohorna--Carter--Kapanen (if Kapanen can be re-signed to a sensible AAV)
13th F: Boyle
14th F: Bjorkqvist

If Rust walks, my first next choice (aside from the Forsberg or Gaudreau who likely are not attainable), my first choice would be Burakovsky or Copp as tier 1, then Niederreiter or Rielly Smith and maybe Athanasiou as tier 2, and only then do you get to the lower tiers of the Max Domi's of the world. And if Evander Kane is available, he might be my 2nd or 3rd choice of all of those guys.

So I really don't think we need to look at Heinen or ERod going forward. We should have the cap room, provided we move out one of Dumo/Petts.
 
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