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Empoleon8771

Empoleon8771

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I'm skeptical the Devils would move him, but I think this is something the Penguins may target. The Penguins were rumored to be in on Jiricek, but they weren't in a position to trade for him due to being unwilling to trade their own 1st for him. Now that they have the NYR 1st, Friedman has speculated that they might try to move that pick:

'Pittsburgh wanted that pick. I'm going to be very interested to see if Pittsburgh keeps that pick or if they try to turn it into another young player. It's top 13 protected this year but unprotected next year and I'll be curious to see if a team wants to gamble on what kind of year the Rangers will have next year.'

Combine their interest with Jiricek with this, I figure Nemec would be another interesting option for them. So my idea is a proposal based on the Jiricek trade between the Penguins and Devils for Nemec:

-Penguins get Nemec
-Devils get Pieniniemi, NYR's lottery protected 2025 1st, St. Louis' 2026 2nd and Pittsburgh's 2025 3rd

The Jiricek trade was Jiricek and a 5th for Hunt, a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, so that's what I was basing this on. The Penguins still have plenty of picks even with doing this, since they have 2 2026 2nds and 3 2025 3rds before this deal.
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britdevil said:
What interest does NJ have in futures? They need NHL players for the here and now.

Pieniniemi seems a decent prospect, but not on a level with Nemec.

Unnecessary trade.
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The idea is that Nemec wants a change of scenery to be given more of a NHL shot and the Penguins pay a Jiricek type of price to get him. New Jersey would then have that additional currency to use to either just hold onto those picks or use them to improve the team now.

Nemec hasn't demanded a trade, but he did say this a few weeks ago:

 
Just because the jiricek trade happened doesn’t mean other teams are willing to do the same.

Barring a formal trade request, this idea makes less than zero sense for the devils.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
The idea is that Nemec wants a change of scenery to be given more of a NHL shot and the Penguins pay a Jiricek type of price to get him. New Jersey would then have that additional currency to use to either just hold onto those picks or use them to improve the team now.

Nemec hasn't demanded a trade, but he did say this a few weeks ago:

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We're all well aware of what he said a few weeks ago. If he doesn't have an NHL spot next season, we have an issue - but by no means is he demanding to be moved this season.

Still don't see why NJ would remotely entertain this. If Nemec gets moved, it's not for a handful of futures but for a young forward that can help them now and the foreseeable future.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
The idea is that Nemec wants a change of scenery to be given more of a NHL shot and the Penguins pay a Jiricek type of price to get him. New Jersey would then have that additional currency to use to either just hold onto those picks or use them to improve the team now.

Nemec hasn't demanded a trade, but he did say this a few weeks ago:

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Well he's recalled now as Siegenthaler is going to be out.

Not the way we wanted it to happen, but now he has his chance to shine.

Again, unnecessary trade for the Devils that only serves to strengthen a divisional rival.
 
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Even if Nemec demanded a trade (he hasn't) NJ wouldn't part with him for a bunch of picks. It would be for an impact now player or a young center/winger in a similar position.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
The idea is that Nemec wants a change of scenery to be given more of a NHL shot and the Penguins pay a Jiricek type of price to get him. New Jersey would then have that additional currency to use to either just hold onto those picks or use them to improve the team now.

Nemec hasn't demanded a trade, but he did say this a few weeks ago:
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If they wanted to improve the team now, Nemec would bring them back better value than what they’d have to use from this PIT trade.
 
britdevil said:
What interest does NJ have in futures? They need NHL players for the here and now.

Pieniniemi seems a decent prospect, but not on a level with Nemec.

Unnecessary trade.
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I think the idea here would be you use the new found capital to bolster other areas of need.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
The idea is that Nemec wants a change of scenery to be given more of a NHL shot and the Penguins pay a Jiricek type of price to get him. New Jersey would then have that additional currency to use to either just hold onto those picks or use them to improve the team now.

Nemec hasn't demanded a trade, but he did say this a few weeks ago:

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That's not "wants a change of scenery"
Wishful thinking on your part is all that it is
 
SEALBound said:
So? I mean that's great but if you need to bolster other areas like 2/3C, getting a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc would help. Yeah, they could trade Nemec as well, I guess. Might just depend on the roster of the teams.
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So the idea is trading Nemec for a group of lesser pieces and then trading those pieces for help throughout the lineup? Wouldn’t it make more sense to trade Nemec directly for a more valuable asset then watering down what we could potentially get?
 
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Jerzey Devil said:
So the idea is trading Nemec for a group of lesser pieces and then trading those pieces for help throughout the lineup? Wouldn’t it make more sense to trade Nemec directly for a more valuable asset then watering down what we could potentially get?
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"lesser pieces" is subjective and highly dependent on the team being discussed. For example, Nemec would have different values between Pittsburgh (who wants young player) and Buffalo (who does not want young players and is flush with high quality dmen).

And yeah, you could trade Nemec directly but I'm not sure who's going to trade a "more valuable piece". Like who is giving you a 2C for Nemec? At the very least, an assortment of draft picks could be used to bolster several spots. For example, a 1st for a good 3C and a 2nd for a rental winger at the TDL. That's the general thought process here.
 
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Nemec just got caught up in an unfortunate situation where he was projected to be the 6/7 defenseman along with Kovacevic.

Nemec started the season with an injury and it affected his play. Meanwhile, Kovacevic has been a revelation and playing extremely well, while the Devils top 6 (once Luke and Pesce were healthy) played 46 games together in a row, so there hasn't been an opportunity for Nemec...until now that Siegenthaler is injured.

He should draw into the next two games before the 4 Nations break, but after that NJ should have a healthy Hatakka who is a left shot defenseman that would ideally slot better into Siegenthaler's place versus having a right shot defensemen play LD, so we'll see how this all plays out.

Still hard to see any scenario in which Nemec gets dealt this season.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
The idea is that Nemec wants a change of scenery to be given more of a NHL shot and the Penguins pay a Jiricek type of price to get him. New Jersey would then have that additional currency to use to either just hold onto those picks or use them to improve the team now.

Nemec hasn't demanded a trade, but he did say this a few weeks ago:

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And Friedman also said this couple weeks ago:

"10. A few days after frustrated comments to a Slovakian newspaper, things have cooled down around Simon Nemec. The Devils communicated to anyone who asked they have zero interest in the dealing the 2022 second-overall selection. If anything, the Olympic qualifier injury last August hurt his chances of making New Jersey. Things will reset next fall. Let’s see what unfolds then."

SEALBound said:
"lesser pieces" is subjective and highly dependent on the team being discussed. For example, Nemec would have different values between Pittsburgh (who wants young player) and Buffalo (who does not want young players and is flush with high quality dmen).
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Yeah, I agree. But most teams rather want a quality defenseman prospect than draft picks.
 
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Devils should be trading picks for young nhl-ready players, not trading young nhl-ready players for picks.

Why would the Penguins shop the Rangers pick? They're staring down the barrel of a really long and really nasty rebuild, and in my learned experience you usually want draft picks for those dark days.
 
HBK27 said:
Nemec just got caught up in an unfortunate situation where he was projected to be the 6/7 defenseman along with Kovacevic.

Nemec started the season with an injury and it affected his play. Meanwhile, Kovacevic has been a revelation and playing extremely well, while the Devils top 6 (once Luke and Pesce were healthy) played 46 games together in a row, so there hasn't been an opportunity for Nemec...until now that Siegenthaler is injured.

He should draw into the next two games before the 4 Nations break, but after that NJ should have a healthy Hatakka who is a left shot defenseman that would ideally slot better into Siegenthaler's place versus having a right shot defensemen play LD, so we'll see how this all plays out.

Still hard to see any scenario in which Nemec gets dealt this season.
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I'd keep Nemec in the lineup over Hatakka. I think the talent gap is far too wide
 
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