Value of: Penguins blow-up

[Empoleon8771]

That isn't blowing it up. It's getting rid of bit players. Blowing it up is moving Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, and Letang.

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

 

[Coffee]

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

Sir Empoleon, my question to you was genuine and sincere regarding Rust but once again you choose to not engage with me

 

[SEALBound]

Pettersson at 50% retained should get a 1st rounder from a contending team and a B prospect

Ellers should get a 2nd if he keeps up this level of play otherwise a 3rd

O'Conner probably gets a 3rd or a 4th

The other guys (Rakell, Karlsson, Bunting, Rust) have a lot of term so makes it hard to trade them/consider what theit value is

This is where I'm at with regard to value.

I could see Rakell, Rust, and Bunting being upgrades where the Pens take back a $3mil bottom 6 wing and a 2nd/3rd.

What? I doubt contending teams GM’s see the Rust contract as a problem. Cap is going up, 4 years at 32 Y.O is not the end of the world.

Unless you’re saying something else, like Rust has regressed that much?

It's hard to say honestly. He's been hot and cold the last two years. When he's hot, he's really hot and things just f***ing click. When he's not hot, it's frustrating. But honestly, he's also a player I think Pens fans will overly berate because we're "tired of him". He's been around 9 years in a wide variety of roles. His speed has take a bit of a hit the last couple of years but really, he's still a reliable top 6 RW. He's proven he can play with top talent doing equally as well with Malkin as Sid and he's capable of being on the first powerplay and the PK.

I do think there would be interest so long as a GM is okay taking on a 32yo with 4 years left (including this one). Best bet with Rust is a 1:1 with a different player. Copp from Detroit makes sense IMHO. Might give both players a jump. I've always had Buffalo on the list too. Maybe something like Greenway+2nd/3rd.

 

[BrookswasHere44]

That isn't blowing it up. It's getting rid of bit players. Blowing it up is moving Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, and Letang.

Letang can be had for a 5th, you in? EK for a 4th.... The heck do I care

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Rakell and Ellers are players I'd want for Buffalo.

 

[Stickpucker]

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

Thread title should then be

"Penguins flushing the toilet"

 

[DJJones]

Ya any talk of blowing it up without Crosby being top of the list is lame

 

[DrDangles]

Rust and Rak both have value at their current contracts, the only way the Pens are taking back bad contracts for them is for added value. Both guys are safe bets for 20-30 goals and 50+ points, their contracts are good value for what they bring in a top 6 role.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Nick Robertson for DOC ?

 

[Petes2424]

Pettersson is the one teams would be the most interested in, but you’d think they’d be trying to keep him.

Can think of several players btw, who’d be scratching their heads if Dubas does move him. The only reason to do so, is if he comes out and says he’s not re-signing in Pittsburgh, and they’re out of it come the deadline.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

Nick Robertson for DOC ?

I’d assume Pens pass.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Rakell seems like a decent player still. 8 pts in 11 G this year. 60 points a couple years ago. Last year was a down year but largely seems like a player worthy of $5M. Is he horrible defensively or what?

He played through a shoulder injury last year, killed his numbers. Seems to be back to his 60 point potential again.

My issue with Rakell on the Pens is he scores points, isn't bad at any facet of the game, but doesn't excell in any area either. Vanilla top 6 W that is fine on any team to fill out a roster, but isn't a dynamic difference maker.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Pettersson at 50% retained should get a 1st rounder from a contending team and a B prospect

Ellers should get a 2nd if he keeps up this level of play otherwise a 3rd

O'Conner probably gets a 3rd or a 4th

The other guys (Rakell, Karlsson, Bunting, Rust) have a lot of term so makes it hard to trade them/consider what theit value is

Shouldn't need to retain on Pettersson. He's an excellent dman, 28 years old, at a $4 million cap hit, and is a ufa after this year.

Rust and Rakell are both good top 6 wingers. They're still effective but the long terms might be off putting. May need to retain or take cap dumps here.

Eller for a 2nd sounds about right. Been one of the few bright spots this year.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Pettersson is the one teams would be the most interested in, but you’d think they’d be trying to keep him.

Can think of several players btw, who’d be scratching their heads if Dubas does move him. The only reason to do so, is if he comes out and says he’s not re-signing in Pittsburgh, and they’re out of it come the deadline.

He's going to command $6-7M on a 7-8 year deal. Not going to happen for a team headed towards the toilet.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Pettersson is the one teams would be the most interested in, but you’d think they’d be trying to keep him.

Can think of several players btw, who’d be scratching their heads if Dubas does move him. The only reason to do so, is if he comes out and says he’s not re-signing in Pittsburgh, and they’re out of it come the deadline.

Players like Pettersson don't age well. He's a defensive defenseman who doesn't have a lot of natural skill to fall back on, and as he closes in on 30 years old and loses a bit of speed and the wear and tear of being hit a lot adds up, he's going to turn into a bad contract sooner than later.

He's the type of player that a contender might be interested in for the next 2 or 3 seasons, but one that a pretender (sorry, rebuilding) team shouldn't re-sign.

 

[Coffee]

It's hard to say honestly. He's been hot and cold the last two years. When he's hot, he's really hot and things just f***ing click. When he's not hot, it's frustrating. But honestly, he's also a player I think Pens fans will overly berate because we're "tired of him". He's been around 9 years in a wide variety of roles. His speed has take a bit of a hit the last couple of years but really, he's still a reliable top 6 RW. He's proven he can play with top talent doing equally as well with Malkin as Sid and he's capable of being on the first powerplay and the PK.

I do think there would be interest so long as a GM is okay taking on a 32yo with 4 years left (including this one). Best bet with Rust is a 1:1 with a different player. Copp from Detroit makes sense IMHO. Might give both players a jump. I've always had Buffalo on the list too. Maybe something like Greenway+2nd/3rd.

Makes sense, I appreciate the answer, Seal

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I think it's evident that this team sucks and desperately needs to tear down the roster. The amount of trade chips the Penguins have is a bit limited, but I think the main ones are:

-Pettersson: 1 year at $4 million
-O'Connor: 1 year at $925k
-Eller: 1 year at $2.45 million
-Rust: 4 years at $5.125 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back
-Rakell: 4 years at $5 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back
-Nedjelkovic: 2 years at $2.5 million

Karlsson and Bunting are also potential trade chips, but both need to start playing better for either to be worthwhile in a discussion (plus Karlsson would require significant retention and the Penguins only have 1 retention slot left this year). I think everyone else on the team is either untradeable, won't be traded or has no value.

A couple of ideas I have:

-Pettersson to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson (defenseman) and a 2nd
-Rust to Detroit for Copp and additional futures

So absolutely shit trades?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Rakell seems like a decent player still. 8 pts in 11 G this year. 60 points a couple years ago. Last year was a down year but largely seems like a player worthy of $5M. Is he horrible defensively or what?

He's absolutely not horrible defensively. He's a strong 2way winger that produces 50+. Last year after he came back from his injury, he had a nagging shoulder injury the rest of the season and after that injury he produced at a 50pt pace.

Rakell is a fantastic winger.
He always should have been with Sid, he brings the defensive help Sid's line always needed and Rust was never that for him.

 

[biturbo19]

Where are Penguin fans in the know at, in terms of how much they'd pay to move Graves out?


Fellow Canucks fans would lynch me for even suggesting it, but honestly...they need to fix this defence and Graves is a guy who has shown he can play legit, leveraged Top-4 minutes with the right partner. He'd legitimately be their third best defenceman probably.

Contract is obviously untenable, but i'm wondering if Pittsburgh would put assets on the table to make that deal move, that would grease the wheels for a three-way-ish trade somehow?

No idea what that would look like, and other Canucks fans will just yell at me about it. But i'm curious if there's a third team they could get involved that could make it work somehow?

 

[Viqsi]

Players like Pettersson don't age well. He's a defensive defenseman who doesn't have a lot of natural skill to fall back on, and as he closes in on 30 years old and loses a bit of speed and the wear and tear of being hit a lot adds up, he's going to turn into a bad contract sooner than later.

He's the type of player that a contender might be interested in for the next 2 or 3 seasons, but one that a pretender (sorry, rebuilding) team shouldn't re-sign.

I think a case can be made that he's one of those guys that can be useful in that stretch of seasons eating hard minutes while your prospects grow up. But that, of course, presumes you have any prospects.

 

[deakka]

Where are Penguin fans in the know at, in terms of how much they'd pay to move Graves out?


Fellow Canucks fans would lynch me for even suggesting it, but honestly...they need to fix this defence and Graves is a guy who has shown he can play legit, leveraged Top-4 minutes with the right partner. He'd legitimately be their third best defenceman probably.

Contract is obviously untenable, but i'm wondering if Pittsburgh would put assets on the table to make that deal move, that would grease the wheels for a three-way-ish trade somehow?

No idea what that would look like, and other Canucks fans will just yell at me about it. But i'm curious if there's a third team they could get involved that could make it work somehow?

I think the pens have given up at contending, no matter what they say.

So I don't think they will pay anything to get rid of either of Graves or Jarry . They'll just ride it out either helping with the tank or if they somehow play good trade them without attaching assets.

I think they would be open to move them for another "bad deal" but not pay to do it.

 

[Drake1588]

I think the Caps could use Eller back this year to slot in as their 3C, and the 2nd or 3rd rounder price seems reasonable.. The term is right and they have a positional need.

I just don't see these teams easily making an otherwise sensible trade. They've done it before, but reluctantly.

 

[Sideline]

I think the Caps could use Eller back this year to slot in as their 3C, and the 2nd or 3rd rounder price seems reasonable.. The term is right and they have a positional need.

I just don't see these teams easily making an otherwise sensible trade. They've done it before, but reluctantly.

I think Eller makes a lot of sense for a lot of teams. He has a cheap caphit, expiring contract, and doesn't have any trade protection either. The lack of trade protection opens things up to the Edmonton's, Winnipeg's, and Vancouver's of the world that often struggle to find guys willing to waive. He's my sleeper pick to be the trade that gets people saying "Wow, they gave up X for him?"

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

They literally can't do that. Karlsson and Letang basically have immovable contracts and they won't trade Crosby or Malkin.

This is the extent that the Penguins can blow up the team.

EK would probably waive it to get to go to a contender.

Also...can we trade Sully for something?
Even though he has fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh, he's a really good coach, and has real value.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Where are Penguin fans in the know at, in terms of how much they'd pay to move Graves out?


Fellow Canucks fans would lynch me for even suggesting it, but honestly...they need to fix this defence and Graves is a guy who has shown he can play legit, leveraged Top-4 minutes with the right partner. He'd legitimately be their third best defenceman probably.

Contract is obviously untenable, but i'm wondering if Pittsburgh would put assets on the table to make that deal move, that would grease the wheels for a three-way-ish trade somehow?

No idea what that would look like, and other Canucks fans will just yell at me about it. But i'm curious if there's a third team they could get involved that could make it work somehow?

No purpose in paying to get rid of him. The team should be going into a full blown rebuild and targeting more bad deals like Graves to get paid to take them on.

I think Graves isn't "horrible", but he's pretty clearly a #5/6 defenseman that's getting paid about $3 million a year too much. If he was a #5/6 making $1.5 million a year, I think most people would at least be tolerant of him.

Nick Robertson for DOC ?

I'd do this in an instant. Worst case scenario you get a few RFA years out of Robertson and you're in about the same spot with trading Robertson in 2 years as you are with trading O'Connor now.