Confirmed with Link: Penguins and Mike Sullivan part ways

[CheckingLineCenter]

This looks more like an accountability thing where he'll hold anyone even vets to standards or he'll bench them.

NOOOOOO

Hell no. His job with CBus is the worst I’ve ever seen. Dude was horrible with their young players.

they pulled the plug after only a year. And then were way better with the next guy. I’m out

 

[Zirakzigil]

I wonder why Dubi couldn't work a trade........... Oh well.. He's gone and ME VERY HAPPY

You cant trade coaches.

 

[Pancakes]

No but actually yes. If he signs elsewhere they are no longer on the hook for his salary. Its a little complicated, but basically, if his new salary covers all or more of his previous salary, Pens walk away from owing him anything.

They "mutually agreed to part ways" according to the release so is he even still under contract?

 

[Lust for Life]

They "mutually agreed to part ways" according to the release so is he even still under contract?

I'd wager it's about as mutual as my love for Scarlett Johansson.

 

[Zirakzigil]

They "mutually agreed to part ways" according to the release so is he even still under contract?

Yes. Thats just PR fluff to say he was fired. You cant terminate the contract though.

 

[Factorial]

I did not watch. Will have to check it out, later.

My impression from the way everyone is talking is that Dubas was quite critical of Sullivan's style of player and that he wanted to change gears in that regard. That tells me that Sullivan has been the prime mover in free agency and trades for quite a while and really that should be no surprise from a team that has given him a outsized amount of control over their direction for many years.

I watched and didn't hear anything about Sully being the "prime mover in free agency and trades."

Maybe I missed it.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Christmas in April!!!!

 

[Victor Z]

I think this puts to rest the idea that Dubas doesn't have the authority to fire Sullivan. It also puts to rest my theory that this team was locked into Sid+Sully through the Olympics.

Sully marched into Doobie's office with a list of ridiculous demands (we can only imagine HOW ridiculous).

Sully fired himself. On purpose.

He can go try to be a hero in the most self-important city on earth now. Sully and his ego will fit right in, in the Big Apple. Good riddance.

 

[Turin]

I'm reading an article now that goes both ways:



This looks more like an accountability thing where he'll hold anyone even vets to standards or he'll bench them.

He was horrible with benching/scratching their young players and being an ass about it. I’ve never seen a guy be so obviously horrible within like 2 weeks as he was.

 

[Jacob]

I’d like someone with prior experience as a head coach at some level so for me that cancels out Halpern & Ward.

 

[Empoleon8771]

They "mutually agreed to part ways" according to the release so is he even still under contract?

Yes he's still under contract. It's being called a "mutually agreed to part ways" but Dubas clearly fired him.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

they pulled the plug after only a year. And then were way better with the next guy. I’m out

Lots of coaches over the course of history started out this way, though. If you don't want Pascal Vincent, then you also don't want Jay Woodcroft.

I am not saying you are wrong, mind you. I personally want a brand new guy with zero experience. Hell, I say brand new guy but I would take Jessica Campbell if it is determined that she is the best person for the position.

All I am saying is, lots of coaches fail miserably the first time around (and later become successful). Hell, the bozo we just dumped fits that description.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

So he did fire him. Dubas wanted this.
This isn't Sully just walking away.

Good! My respect for him has gone up. He can see the corrupted situation for what it is.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I don't know that I buy Dubas wants to tank, but I think he wants the youth movement and in Sullivan's mind, that is tanking. So when Dubas said no to a team full of veteran PK plugs, they agreed to part ways.

Which is mind boggling to be because Sully's success was built off the youth injection of Rust, Sheary, Wilson, Kuhnhackl, Murray and later Guenztel.

 

[Pens1566]

I highly doubt that Jeff Halpern will ever come here. Dude was the only opposition player I can ever remember that expressed a severe verbal displeasure for all things Penguins related. One might even call it a hatred. Yeah, I know it's a career move for him, but something tells me that it would be a big issue.

 

[SEALBound]

I'm reading an article now that goes both ways:



This looks more like an accountability thing where he'll hold anyone even vets to standards or he'll bench them.

Interesting article and I'm trying to decide how it makes me feel.

On one hand, I like that there is accountability. On the other, I'm not sure I love the idea that he forces it via benchings.

I may be getting soft in my advancing years but I think I'd rather see a coach that talks to player about a mistake but sends him right back out the next shift as a show of faith and support.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I did not watch. Will have to check it out, later.

My impression from the way everyone is talking is that Dubas was quite critical of Sullivan's style of player and that he wanted to change gears in that regard. That tells me that Sullivan has been the prime mover in free agency and trades for quite a while and really that should be no surprise from a team that has given him a outsized amount of control over their direction for many years.

I don't think Dubas smacked Sullivan in the way that you and others are interpreting it as.

Dubas simply said that the team wants to continue getting younger and faster and more talented. That's not a reflection of the coach or the coach's desires.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I watched and didn't hear anything about Sully being the "prime mover in free agency and trades."

Maybe I missed it.

*sigh*

Those are my words, of course. Dubas seemed dissatisfied with Mike Sullivan's brand of player... no? The implication here is that Mike Sullivan is the first shoulder tapped when the GM wants input on who to target.

Is any of that difficult to believe? Sullivan was regarded as one of the most powerful coaches in the league,. Of course he had the most input on who to add to the roster. It's HIS roster. Franky it's a little weird to me that people don't think this is the way it works with tenured coaches, especially.

I'll watch it later. I don't think any of this is a stretch. I'm not absolving Dubas... he's had a rocky start here and should take his lumps, too.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

So the Pens get zero compensation if Sully signs elsewhere?

The NHL got rid of management compensation several years ago.

 

[SEALBound]

Sully marched into Doobie's office with a list of ridiculous demands (we can only imagine HOW ridiculous).

Sully fired himself. On purpose.

He can go try to be a hero in the most self-important city on earth now. Sully and his ego will fit right in, in the Big Apple. Good riddance.

I just want to be ultra clear here that Dubas specifically addressed it and said there was NO validity to that report.

Dubas speaking directly to the media > some no name on twitter with no connections.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

*sigh*

Those are my words, of course. Dubas seemed dissatisfied with Mike Sullivan's brand of player. The implication here is that Mike Sullivan is the first shoulder tapped when the GM wants input on who to target.

Is any of that difficult to believe? Sullivan was regarded as one of the most powerful coaches in the league,. Of course he had the most input on who to add to the roster. It's HIS roster. Franky it's a little weird to me that people don't think this is the way it works with tenured coaches, especially.

Sullivan was able to advise on player personnel, but he didn't have decision-making power. No coach does. Some GMs will go with what the coach recommends, at least in some situations. But most will make the roster in their own vision and hire a coach who fits it.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Sully marched into Doobie's office with a list of ridiculous demands (we can only imagine HOW ridiculous).

Sully fired himself. On purpose.

He can go try to be a hero in the most self-important city on earth now. Sully and his ego will fit right in, in the Big Apple. Good riddance.

This didn't happen.

People really need to read before they post.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Sullivan was able to advise on player personnel, but he didn't have decision-making power. No coach does. Some GMs will go with what the coach recommends, at least in some situations. But most will make the roster in their own vision and hire a coach who fits it.

You really think his "advise" doesn't carry the maximum amount of weight?

Really?

You don't think most of these rosters... across multiple GMs... don't have his fingerprints all over them?

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I wonder why Dubi couldn't work a trade........... Oh well.. He's gone and ME VERY HAPPY

Dubas flat out said management trades aren't a thing in the NHL.

 

[Pancakes]

Also think this means Dubas is 100% tanking this year for McKenna.

If that is how it works out, I'm 100% on board. I certainly don't see a path to a playoff spot next year.