Confirmed with Link: Penguins acquire conditional first round pick, three players for Pettersson and O'Connor

[Big McLargehuge]

But you'll never know what is in the kinder egg without breaking one open

Unless you buy an American one. In which case there's just nothing inside.

My point is never draft Americans. They don't come with free toys inside.

 

[pistolpete11]

I think with the Rangers pick you probably just hope it's 14th this year and leave it at that.

It's hypothetically nice to imagine getting their unprotected first next year but with the cap going up and that being the scenario I'm sure the Rangers would do everything possible to not suck next year. An unprotected first in 2026 is only good if it ends up being a high pick again and I'm sure the Rangers would do everything in their power to make sure it's not.

Also getting the pick now expedites the rebuild a little bit more as well.

I've come around to thinking wherever they end up this year is best for us.

If they finish 14th or better, then that's a sign they've improved with Miller and will probably be back in the mix next year. So them starting from a big hole this year gives us a better pick than what we'd get next year.

If they continue to suck, though, then they're in big trouble and I'll be glad to gamble on getting another lottery ball for next year's draft.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I’m not as patient. I can’t delay gratification or whatever. I wanna get this rebuild going, especially with not having a 1st this past draft. Get a Martone, Desnoyers or Hagens that could possibly step in right away, then a solid longer-term prospect that can battle for a spot in another year or two.

Can’t agree. Unless they are exceptional - all these young guys/rookies struggle either way it seems.

By the time either the “safe” or “upside” draft pick starts being useful on NHL ice you get such a more useful, aggressive, talented growth curve out of the more athletic/talented “upside” prospect on average IMO

 

[Ita]

Canucks fan here in peace.

Can someone give me an objective honest take of Pettersson? Is he a top 2/3/4? What are his strength and weaknesses?

Thank you and I hope the pick workout for you guys.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Canucks fan here in peace.

Can someone give me an objective honest take of Pettersson? Is he a top 2/3/4? What are his strength and weaknesses?

Thank you and I hope the pick workout for you guys.

Probably a #3, good positional DFD with a strong outlet pass. Good partner for an OFD like Karlsson and Letang, which is the role he filled here.

He should be playing with Hronek on the 2nd pair. He does fit really well with Hughes but he's purely a LD.

 

[Peat]

Canucks fan here in peace.

Can someone give me an objective honest take of Pettersson? Is he a top 2/3/4? What are his strength and weaknesses?

Thank you and I hope the pick workout for you guys.

He's a 2/3.

His weaknesses are very, very few which is why he's a 2/3. His only real weakness is that he's thin as a rake which means sometimes he gets outmuscled.

His strength is that he's smart, works hard, has a really big reach, and makes simple plays very well.

He's a do it all guy who doesn't quite have the skill or skating to really boss things and who maybe isn't quite as physically robust as you'd like a DFD to be, but slots in great as the reliable sidecar to an offensive guy and who you'll rarely regret having out there.

Also, considering his physical shape and the game he plays ( he gets hit a ton and he'll drop the gloves to protect a team mate), he is ridiculously resilient. Famous last words but he hardly ever gets injured.

 

[Ulf5]

I think with the Rangers pick you probably just hope it's 14th this year and leave it at that.

It's hypothetically nice to imagine getting their unprotected first next year but with the cap going up and that being the scenario I'm sure the Rangers would do everything possible to not suck next year. An unprotected first in 2026 is only good if it ends up being a high pick again and I'm sure the Rangers would do everything in their power to make sure it's not.

Also getting the pick now expedites the rebuild a little bit more as well.

I know the cap is rising but how much will the Rags actually have to spend? They have a lot of hefty contracts. Do they have much cap coming off the books?

 

[VanillaCoke]

QUOTE="krutovsdonut, post: 198691560, member: 276599"]
canucks fan here

-heinen you know. he was not physical enough in vancouver but showed more skill and savvy than a replacement player. not shy but just couldn't handle board cycling. not bad but not good. we weren't screaming to be rid of him but nobody will mourn him. he does not help or hurt.

-desharnais is a pure dump. he came in with hype after playing well for the oilers against us in the playoffs and management implying they thought he could step up to 4d. seems like a nice guy. he has been given every chance and has been awful and was not an nhl player for us. not physical. gets dummied constantly. does not seem to know how to use his size which is his main asset. juulsen supplanted him on the depth chart and nobody has questioned that decision even though most fans don't think juulsen is good enough to be a 7/8 dman and wince when he is on the ice.

good luck with the retool/not quite a rebuild thing.
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Win win trade for both teams for sure, but don't buy any of this above its not accurate.

Heinen you do know but he's as awful as y'all remember, healthy scratch, ten mins night Sullys doghouse territory. He was a positionally sound, slow, soft turnover machine, who can pk.
Every four or six games was decent fourth line winger, trash the others.

Desharnais is a bottom pairing Dman, probably a 6/7 with potential for #5 at best, but can actually pk effectively and isnt nearly as bad as many will say or anywhere close to pure garbage dump. Can skate and move the puck just fine for a #6, but no real puck skills.
As I tried to tell many canucks fans, he has barely more than two seasons of nhl games played, so while 28, is basically still raw. Theres tools and a toolbox there, but canucks dont have the time to wait for it to click, if it does.

As other pens fans have mentioned, paired with a mobile partner on the bottom pairing he's just fine to decent, but not perfect.
Way worse players in the nhl rn, bryson, holl, graves, gryz, girard, juulsen easily came to mind in two seconds.

Give it some weeks and y'all will see that it’s correct.

 

[Andy99]

I’m not as patient. I can’t delay gratification or whatever. I wanna get this rebuild going, especially with not having a 1st this past draft. Get a Martone, Desnoyers or Hagens that could possibly step in right away, then a solid longer-term prospect that can battle for a spot in another year or two.

We need a top four pick in this draft and then McKenna…lol…I’m serious…then maybe a 40 year old Sid has another shot at a ring…there’s nothing Dubas can do to turn this around in 1-2 years without some top young talent coming aboard…

 

[The Old Master]

I mean, a 1st could just as easily be a Derick Pouliot as it could Cale Makar.

very true. but with the less high pick you have a much better chance to get pouliot than you do makar

 

[The Old Master]

Unless you buy an American one. In which case there's just nothing inside.

My point is never draft Americans. They don't come with free toys inside.

i was once informed crossing the border that we are all Americans and he wasn't being very friendly.