Confirmed with Link: Penguins acquire conditional first round pick, three players for Pettersson and O'Connor
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Darren McCord
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I mean its about the replacement options too.I am actually thinking maybe his replacement will come from within and that will force Dubas hand more.
Kirk MacDonald actually seems like a good coach. He has had success almost everywhere he has been as a coach and WBS is doing really well this year. If by the end of the year the Pens are at the bottom and WBS goes on the run MacDonald might become a candidate to replaces Sully. Especially if MacDonald gets outside interest.
Jacob
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I expected, with retention, Petts to return a 2nd and a later pick or a prospect equivalent.
I think the 1st and 3rd is reasonable with a cheap DOC included with no retention + 2 kinda mediocre players/contracts also included. DOC is cheap and, in my opinion, a small upgrade on Heinen even if they were on the same contract.
I think the 1st and 3rd is reasonable with a cheap DOC included with no retention + 2 kinda mediocre players/contracts also included. DOC is cheap and, in my opinion, a small upgrade on Heinen even if they were on the same contract.
Top 4 LD, good as the defensive conscience of an offensive RD. He’s good defensively, good team guy. He’s not inept offensively but he takes the safe route usually.
ncm7772
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What @Jacob said but I'd also add that the reason we didn't want to re-sign him is not because he's not a good player (he is) but because the Pens need to rebuild and they desperately need to inject young players and prospects into the lineup/system.
There was no reason to hold onto a player like MP given the Pens have a lot of work to do to become competitive again.
McGroarty2
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Sullivan gots to go!
You could make an argument that we would have been better off with a signed Pettersson than with Heinen's and Desharnais' contracts. The difference would have been minimal.
They HAVE to hit on their next three first-round picks (2 in '25, 1 in '26).
But yeah, Pettersson will be missed. And if we turn around and re-sign Grz I will lose it.
They HAVE to hit on their next three first-round picks (2 in '25, 1 in '26).
But yeah, Pettersson will be missed. And if we turn around and re-sign Grz I will lose it.
Malkinstheman
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Better off in what way? With or without Pettersson the team was missing the playoffs. Now they got worse and got assets for it. Literally who cares about two guys signed for 2m each. The cap is going up 9m every year
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Empoleon8771
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You could argue it but you'd be wrong.
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It's a discussion of "do we think the Rangers will be worse this year or next year?" If they retool a bit and get back to being top of the Metro, yes, we want them to finish 14th ov this year. If we think they will continue their decline, we want them to finished 13th or worse in hopes that they finish 13th or worse next year. It's honestly 50/50 for me. I don't think it's a stretch to say the NYRs are underperforming this year and are capable of more. Adding a 100pt 1C will certainly help their cause next year but also, Zibs, Kreider, Panarin, etc are all candidates to regress given their ages. And who knows how well Shesterkin can gift them wins.
There's discussion about the strength of the 2025 vs 2026 draft but I put very little stock in it to be honest. There's a lot of time left for players to have a good back half of the season to propel themselves up the 2025 charts and then plenty of time to go either way for the 2026 draft. 2025 has about 5 guys that are top notch talents, then another good 5 guys, and then it's a crap shoot. Just like 2024 was. 2026 is a bit different in that there is a TRUE golden prize at 1OV in McKenna. After that, honestly, we have similar quality players from 2-10. 2024 was considered weak but 11ov was Sam Dickenson. 11ov was Zev Buium who was a standout at the WJC.
So to put in other terms - everyone's opinion on "draft class strength" is complete and utter shit. I'd rather frame a used scrap of toilet paper and hang it on the wall versus someone's opinion on "draft class strength" because at least the used TP isn't pretending to be something it's not.
In the 13+ category this year we have the chances at Carter Bear, Malcolm Spence, and Ivan Ryabkin. I would put them in that McGroarty level of prospect meaning they are likely to be NHL player but not top tier impact players like Schaefer, Hagens, Martone, or Misa. I don't think we have enough info on next year's crop to start picking primarily because we have no idea where the Rags pick will be if it is indeed transferred to 2026. It would be unfortunate if we get 14th ov this year but the Rags slide next year and they pick 10ov or below. But that said, a bird in the hand is worth in the bush so right now, I would be fine getting any of the three guys I mentioned and moving forward.
There's still a potential for another deal including a first if we make a similar-ish move with Karlsson.
Yeah the deal was pretty much exactly what we figured a Petts+DOC value would be with the only difference being retention vs taking on cap dumps. My only criticism is that I would rather have retained vs taking on the cap. UNLESS Dubas truly plans on using that retention spot this year. If it's Gryz @50% for a 3rd, I'm going to be pissed he opted to taking on Des and Heinen. That will the pre-qualifier that I have no idea if the 1st was on the table if Dubas wasn't willing to take back the players, which honestly, could very well be the case. JR and Alvin cleared a ton of space in the two deals which (given the dumps) may very well have taken a potential 14th OV pick to do.
I don't. The production is a wash but DOC is 1000% a faster and better forechecker and PK'er. If given the choice, I take DOC 100 times out of 100. But I mean really, we're talking a 2005 Camry vs a 2005 Altima here so whatever.
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IcedCapp
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We are tanking. We want to lose. Re-signing Petts makes it harder to lose. He’s a good player.
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Randy Butternubs
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Another year of missing the playoffs with possibly a bottom 5 finish?
Obviously gate revenue doesn't mean as much to a conglomerate like FSG.
But at what point does missing playoffs revenue and declining attendance factor in? Especially if there's a future significant drop in season ticket sales?
I'm sure they don't want to be in that position for any length of time. Even if they're in it for the long-term value growth.
AuroraBorealis
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I feel like FSG is just gonna sell and bow out of the rebuild in disgrace.
They weren't prepared for this job. They needed actual experienced hockey minds. Good lesson for next time, if there is one.
I'd just re-sign MP and trade him again next deadline
Obviously won't get another 1st with ananchor contract.
