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SolidSnakeUS said:
They said it would be talked about later in Q1... why talk about it later? What is later? You going to talk about this in March? Because that's a BAD idea.
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Why do you care if you've already decided to buy a 5090? I'm the one who's waiting to buy this mythological 9070 XT. :laugh:
 
Osprey said:
Why do you care if you've already decided to buy a 5090? I'm the one who's waiting to buy this mythological 9070 XT. :laugh:
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Because I still give a shit? Even though I'm getting a 5090, I still want AMD to do well. Not this stupid shit show.

I don't want AMD even further behind than they already are. Competition is good.
 
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Osprey said:
It's a pretty big fumble, but I don't think that it's as bad as the launch and unlaunch of the 4080 12GB. Lisa Su was nowhere to be seen here, and she usually introduces graphics products, so they may be planning to hold a second event after Nvidia launches the 50 series. It's still disappointing, though.
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It’s like the 16GB 5080. Nvidia are a bunch of crooks.
 


A few new bits of info from the Q&A session that followed AMD's event:

* AMD claimed that they were allowed only 45 minutes by CES, which wasn't enough time to announce and go over everything, and that they want to hold another event for gaming stuff at a later date. They didn't give a date (other than "Q1"), though, which makes me wonder if they weren't quite ready to do a detailed announcement, anyways, and are waiting on Nvidia and, specifically, the announcement and pricing of the 5070.

* AMD confirmed that FSR 4 does currently require an RDNA 4 GPU, since it's designed to take advantage of its machine learning capabilities, but they intend to evaluate its performance on older architectures, so it may eventually be backported.
 
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Have been eying a 5080 and have been saving a bit towards it. These price announcements are great. Want to see the specs and required power draw though. Totally expected them to launch at a significantly higher cost.
 
Looks like DLSS 4 will support multiple frame generation, really cool stuff. That Cyberpunk comparison is pretty insane

 
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5090 32GB $1999 US
5080 16GB $999 US
5070 Ti 16GB $749 US
5070 12GB $549 US

I'm pleasantly surprised by those prices. I expected each to be a couple hundred dollars higher.

I've been leaning towards a 9070 XT, but this could change things. I probably won't consider the 5070, due to only 12GB of VRAM, but the 5070 Ti is a real option. It'll depend on how it benchmarks in reviews without upscaling or frame generation. I'll still consider the 9070 XT, but it may need to be faster or cheaper than expected.
 
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This is welcome. I actually care more about latency than upscaling and frame generation. I'm a little skeptical of the implementation, since it seems like optical trickery instead of pure latency reduction and could be noticeable, but I welcome the experiment.

Mikeaveli said:
5070 having 4090 performance for $549 is pretty impressive, looking forward to seeing performance numbers for the 5090
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The 5070 won't have 4090 performance. According to Nvidia's slides, the 5070 is ~30% faster than the 4070. Meanwhile, the 4090 is 100% faster than the 4070, making it ~54% faster than the 5070.

Nvidia is being deceptive by counting the extra generated frames that the 50 series is capable of with DLSS 4. That may result in similar framerates in supported games, but doesn't equal similar performance.

That said, 2/3rds of the 4090's performance for only 1/3rd the price is still pretty impressive.
 
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Looks like the cost of going from 2x frame gen to 4x is about 6.5ms of latency. Improvements to upscaling and Ray Reconstruction are also looking really nice.

I didn't think I would be buying another display so soon but it seems like a 4k 240Hz display is necessary to get the most out of the 5080 and 5090.

It was also nice to see that the new Doom game will be getting path tracing. Great announcements all around from Nvidia this time
 

Tim took it literally when Steve asked him to get "hands on" with as many GPUs as possible. :laugh:
 
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SolidSnakeUS said:
Personally, if I can't get a FE, I'll probably try to grab the MSI Ventus 3X 5090, as that is pretty small. Even the Zotac ones would fit in the SFF case I'm grabbing.
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Yeah, the sizes are a little concerning. I have a standard ATX tower case, but the drive bays are situated so that they limit my GPU length. The last time that I measured, several of the cards that I was interested in were too long or too close to being too long for comfort.

I'm most interested in the 5070 Ti, but that just so happens to be the one that doesn't have an FE model, so I would have to pay more for a partner card and be careful to not get one that's too large. Throwing another $200 into the pot for a 5080 FE is an option, though it's not very appealing to pay $1K and still get only 16GB.
 
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Osprey said:
Yeah, the sizes are a little concerning. I have a regular ATX case, but the drive bays are in the lower right and limit my GPU length. The last time that I measured, several of the cards that I was interested in were too long or too close to my max for comfort.

I'm most interested in the 5070 Ti, but that just so happens to be the one that doesn't have an FE model, so I would have to pay more for a partner card and be careful which I get. Throwing another $200 into the pot for a 5080 FE is an option, though it's not very appealing to pay $1K for only 16GB.
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If it came down to the 5070 Ti and 5080, I think I like the 5070 Ti more, especially since they share the same VRAM and bus size.
 
www.pcworld.com

Q&A: AMD execs explain CES GPU snub, future strategy, and more

At CES 2025, AMD's Frank Azor and David McAfee spoke about why RDNA 4 didn't get a mention in its keynote, why the X3D chips are so hard to find, and if fake frames are the future of PC graphics.
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That's a transcript of the Q&A session in which they explained that they were given only 45 minutes and didn't feel that 5-10 minutes was enough time to properly introduce RDNA 4 and FSR 4. Ironically, they say that devoting so little time to gaming would've sent the message that they don't care about gaming, but cutting it entirely made it look that way, anyways. AI and corporate partnerships are clearly more important and where the money is, so it's not terribly surprising that they wanted to spend the vast majority of their time discussing that, but it's disappointing if you're a gamer.

Current rumor is that AMD may have an event on Jan 22nd to announce RDNA 4 and FSR 4. Hopefully, it'll make up for the CES disappointment.

Other rumors are that the 9070 XT might be faster than expected and only $479 for the reference model. If it's as fast as the 5070, fitted with 4GB more VRAM and $70 cheaper, it may be pretty attractive.
 
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More info about Nvidia's RTX Mega Geometry and Neural Materials demos at the beginning of this video. Both are looking like game changers. Neural Materials in particular being able to reduce file sizes while looking better is really cool.
 
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