May go for the 4080 16GB if it's truly way better than the 3080. I so want to make myself a proper mITX build.
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mouser
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I‘m looking towards a 4070 to replace a 1070ti. Have been rumors there are two notably different versions of the “4070“ in the production pipeline though. The two versions might turn out to be some combination of 4060, 4070 or 4070ti.
Will they get GDDR6 or GDDR6X memory? Will it be a 160 bit or 192 bit memory bus? Both decisions could have significant impact on the overall performance of the card.
Cush
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They will stop making GPUs in general, apparently it will be like that as long as the guy is the CEO of EVGA.
mouser
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Does seem to be a valid and worsening issue of NVidia since the 10xx series of producing cards in effective competition with their AiB partners. With succeeding generations we’ve gone from partners launching the cards, to NVidia launching a limited availability founders edition (above MSRP) to the current state of NVidia producing cards through the entire generation lifecycle.
If NVidia had their choice I’m sure they would love to get rid of the partners and manufacture everything themselves, but they don’t have the capability to do that yet (and maybe never will).
If NVidia had their choice I’m sure they would love to get rid of the partners and manufacture everything themselves, but they don’t have the capability to do that yet (and maybe never will).
I watched the GN youtube regarding this earlier today and can't say I blame EVGA a bit, sad as it is to watch them go. NV has for many years seemed like a terrible partner to deal with. Coincidentally I was looking at EVGA's website just last night to see how much the 3080 12GB has come down. Now this gen will be their last. Am on the fence about whether it's wise to buy one, from a warranty standpoint, although it was mentioned that they will hold some of their stock back for warranty replacement when needed.
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End of an era.
I was a bit of an EVGA fanboy. I'm back to a laptop gamer at the moment (kid likes to grab cables...works better for now
), but all of my GPUs except for one in my years of rolling my own gaming rigs have been EVGA.
GTX 590, GTX 750 Ti (HTPC), GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1080....we had quite a run.
Hopefully they can keep selling great products. Their power supplies have served me well.
I know they said they don't want to do GPUs anymore, but I would personally love to see them go Radeon....
I was a bit of an EVGA fanboy. I'm back to a laptop gamer at the moment (kid likes to grab cables...works better for now
), but all of my GPUs except for one in my years of rolling my own gaming rigs have been EVGA.GTX 590, GTX 750 Ti (HTPC), GTX 980 Ti, GTX 1080....we had quite a run.
Hopefully they can keep selling great products. Their power supplies have served me well.
I know they said they don't want to do GPUs anymore, but I would personally love to see them go Radeon....
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As always, the ones that will truly pay the price in this, are all the employees that were laid off and will be laid off. Don't like how the CEO lied about that aspect of this decision when they had already laid off people in Taiwan and it is simply impossible logistically and fiscally to keep all their employees. GPUs were 80% of their business so the company is obviously downsizing.
Yeah, I don't see how they could funnel a workforce that size into power supplies and peripherals.
Like said above I'd love it if they switched to AMD instead.
Mikeaveli
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Looks like a great leap in performance but that price lol. I'll probably stick with my 3080 for another generation as I'm only playing at 1440p anyway.
I feel like DLSS 3.0 deserves a lot of discussion. A.I. generated frames:
I'm really curious to see what the quality is gonna be like and how it compares for example to motion smoothing or something cheap like that. 2.5x framerate of dlss 2.0 and 4x the framerate of native resolution. Could be a gamechanger if its high quality.
I'm really curious to see what the quality is gonna be like and how it compares for example to motion smoothing or something cheap like that. 2.5x framerate of dlss 2.0 and 4x the framerate of native resolution. Could be a gamechanger if its high quality.
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The $1599 price of the 4090 isn't surprising to me because the 3090 was $1499. What surprises and disappoints me is the $1199 price of the 4080 16GB. The 3080 was only $699. Granted, it was only 10GB, but AMD's current-gen cards have 16GB at a similar price point, so I don't think that a 4080 16GB at $799 was too much to ask for. There's the 4080 12GB at $899, but it's apparently a rebranded 4070 and should be significantly slower than the real 4080 with 16GB (hence $300 cheaper).
I don't need an upgrade--I'm more than happy with my 3070--but I was open to the idea of upgrading to a 4070 or 4080 if the price and amount of VRAM was right. It sounds like it won't be. Maybe I'll end up going back to AMD if RDNA3 can keep the 16GB and stay around $600-700, though I'll probably be disappointed with their prices, too.
I don't need an upgrade--I'm more than happy with my 3070--but I was open to the idea of upgrading to a 4070 or 4080 if the price and amount of VRAM was right. It sounds like it won't be. Maybe I'll end up going back to AMD if RDNA3 can keep the 16GB and stay around $600-700, though I'll probably be disappointed with their prices, too.
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The prices on these GPUs are insane. PC gaming is getting more and more expensive. The 4080 12GB being released is a greedy thing to do. Like another poster states they are selling 4070 for a 4080’s price.
I am very happy with my 3080 and will skip this generation.
I am very happy with my 3080 and will skip this generation.
f*** those prices. Also, if anyone wants a next gen card, please wait till AMD and Nvidia gets their top 2 cards out (7900xt/7800xt and 4090/4080) and they get the full reviews going and their final prices. That's what I'm going to do.
I will admit, if AMD can truly pull off some f***ing impressive as f*** raytracing performance and looks, then I may jump back to AMD for the first time in over a decade.
I will admit, if AMD can truly pull off some f***ing impressive as f*** raytracing performance and looks, then I may jump back to AMD for the first time in over a decade.
Now we can imagine why EVGA walked away. They would've had to have charged even higher prices and must've figured that there was no way that they'd make any money. Nvidia priced them out of the market.
Part of the reason for the high prices could be all of the 30 series cards that are still unsold. By inflating the price of the next generation, they can continue to sell existing stock of the old generation without having to make any more price cuts. Once that old stock is sold, sometime next year, perhaps we'll see the 4080 sold at more reasonable prices. Then again, the releasing of the 4070, 4060 and 4050 could be all of the excuse needed against it.
Part of the reason for the high prices could be all of the 30 series cards that are still unsold. By inflating the price of the next generation, they can continue to sell existing stock of the old generation without having to make any more price cuts. Once that old stock is sold, sometime next year, perhaps we'll see the 4080 sold at more reasonable prices. Then again, the releasing of the 4070, 4060 and 4050 could be all of the excuse needed against it.
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They gotta be out of their damn minds on those 4080 prices and that kind of power draw.
I mean, obviously there is the enthusiast crowd that will buy these but the 30 series started a trend I can't say I like much.
I barely see my enthusiast card in the rearview mirror anymore.
My pricepoint went from the 80 Ti tier to the 80 tier to the....I might be lucky to get a 50 Ti this generation.
Remember when Nvidia made fun of AMD for high power draws? 450W.....holy balls.
I mean, obviously there is the enthusiast crowd that will buy these but the 30 series started a trend I can't say I like much.
I barely see my enthusiast card in the rearview mirror anymore.
My pricepoint went from the 80 Ti tier to the 80 tier to the....I might be lucky to get a 50 Ti this generation.
Remember when Nvidia made fun of AMD for high power draws? 450W.....holy balls.
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A lot of more casual buyers will fall in the trap of ordering a 4080 expecting certain specs and ending up with the other. True that consumers should always take the time to inform themselves properly before buying something but it still feels like a scummy tactic by Nvidia.
Mikeaveli
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Yep they did the exact same thing with the 1060 6GB and 3GB I believe? It's definitely anti consumer
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Doing my first ever full on build (currently rocking an upgraded Optiplex with a 1650) soon and planned to wait on 40 series, but I guess we’ll see. I thought I’d probably go 4070 or maybe 4080, but it sure feels like they just called the 4070 the 4080 12 GB so they could double the price.
I’ve got a MSI Pro Z690-A, a 12100F (it’s temporary until 13th gen is out), 32 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 5200, and Cooler Master V850 V2. With the 6900xt plummeting in price, down under $700 USD and getting lower, that’s starting to feel like a potentially tempting alternative
I’ve got a MSI Pro Z690-A, a 12100F (it’s temporary until 13th gen is out), 32 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5 5200, and Cooler Master V850 V2. With the 6900xt plummeting in price, down under $700 USD and getting lower, that’s starting to feel like a potentially tempting alternative
You might still care to wait a few months. The current-gen cards will only get cheaper and even $700 for the 6900xt might not seem like great value once AMD's upcoming cards come out. $700 for a 7700xt or 7800xt might not get you any better rasterization performance than the 6900xt, but it'll probably get you better ray tracing performance, since it'll be AMD's 2nd generation in that respect.
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Ya that was kind of my plan. I’m going to keep using my 1650 in the meantime and see what AMD’s announcements look like, and how all the cards compare.
mouser
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It's a bit more than a theory. The 4080 12GB uses the GPU from the tier below the one used by the 4080 16GB. The card to use the GPU a tier below the X080 model has always been the X070 model, but Nvidia knows that they would've been roasted if this $899 card had been called the 4070.
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I know most if not all of them were used for mining but 3080s and 3080 Tis on ebay going in the 500 canadian dollar range on ebay. I might pick one up.
I watched the Hardware Unboxed September price update video the other day and they seemed to think that mining GPUs haven't really hit the re-sale market in numbers yet, based on the prices not being too different than just before the mining crash. Who knows, but you could possibly minimize risk by checking that a seller isn't selling more than one GPU at a time, as well as buying only GPUs that come with the original box and stuff, since I assume that a miner wouldn't have kept the boxes for the cards in their farm.
