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ArGarBarGar

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One thing I am seeing is the PSU is only partially modular, and when plugging in one of the modular cables to VGA 2 or 3 (instead of the 8+6 cable meant for the GPU) leads to the same issue for the other graphics card. Wrong cable?

Yeah, seems all my cables can fit into the CPU slot of the PSU but not the VGA one. Cables all over my house and not one of them fits, that is something I never expected to happen.
 
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One thing I am seeing is the PSU is only partially modular, and when plugging in one of the modular cables to VGA 2 or 3 (instead of the 8+6 cable meant for the GPU) leads to the same issue for the other graphics card. Wrong cable?

Yeah, seems all my cables can fit into the CPU slot of the PSU but not the VGA one. Cables all over my house and not one of them fits, that is something I never expected to happen.

The GPU consumes by far the most amount of power, about as much as the rest of the system combined, so a cable that carries power to the GPU has to be able to handle more power. That's probably why other cables won't fit. If they did and you tried to send 200W over them, they might fry. You could try buying a cable that will fit that port on the PSU. I recall that I had to do that when I got my 3070 because my old PSU didn't come with cables that I needed.

I've just been doing a little googling for your problem and lot of people seem to have had the same issue. A few people say that clearing CMOS fixed it. A few people say that updating the motherboard BIOS fixed it. One person says to disable CSM in the BIOS. One person said to set the BIOS to use PCI 3.0 for the GPU. A few people say that their motherboard was bad, but you said a month or two ago that you replaced the motherboard, so I don't imagine that it's bad.
 

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The GPU consumes by far the most amount of power, about as much as the rest of the system combined, so a cable that carries power to the GPU has to be able to handle more power. That's probably why other cables won't fit. If they did and you tried to send 200W over them, they might fry. You could try buying a cable that will fit that port on the PSU. I recall that I had to do that when I got my 3070 because my old PSU didn't come with cables that I needed.

I've just been doing a little googling for your problem and lot of people seem to have had the same issue. A few people say that clearing CMOS fixed it. A few people say that updating the motherboard BIOS fixed it. One person says to disable CSM in the BIOS. One person said to set the BIOS to use PCI 3.0 for the GPU. A few people say that their motherboard was bad, but you said a month or two ago that you replaced the motherboard, so I don't imagine that it's bad.
Turns out the PSU they installed had different connectors than any other PSU I have ever owned, and since I wasn't provided either the box or the extra cables that came with the PSU (the only cables I got were the ones specifically installed by the tech prior to me getting my computer back) I had to go back to retrieve them.

Thankfully it runs perfectly now and I can say I'm finally done with reworking PCs for a bit.
 

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I just made the switch from 32" 4k60 to 27" 1440p 144Hz two weeks ago. At first I was a bit disappointed due to the smaller screen size and lower DPI but it only took me a work day to adjust.

I also wasn't blown away by 144Hz at first. But now it feels great, atleast for shooters. Other games don't profit a lot from it.
 

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Personally i find the upgrade from 60 to 144hz is worth it for the improved responsiveness on the desktop alone. High frame rates while gaming are an extra
 
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I just set up my new Alienware AW3423DW QLED panel for PC gaming and 1) it's incredible, and 2) I'm going to need a larger desk. For gaming and media, that's one sexy picture. Maybe less ideal for text and work.

Upgrading from an ASUS ROG Swift 27" 1440P QHD, IPS, 165Hz, G-SYNC panel. Running a Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3080 Ti and X570 platform.
 
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I haven't had a gaming pc in well over a decade. My series of laptops have been great for home/work, but beyond simple games like The Long Dark, my laptop can't handle fps. I don't know the first thing about building a rig so my question is where are good places to find gaming rigs for sale and what's a good quality rig cost these days. I want to play SCUM, RUST, games like that. So I don't think I need top of the line but obviously want something better than minimum requirements cause obviously games are only going to demand more cpu/graphic power going forward. Help, please I need a gaming rig crash course.
 

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I haven't had a gaming pc in well over a decade. My series of laptops have been great for home/work, but beyond simple games like The Long Dark, my laptop can't handle fps. I don't know the first thing about building a rig so my question is where are good places to find gaming rigs for sale and what's a good quality rig cost these days. I want to play SCUM, RUST, games like that. So I don't think I need top of the line but obviously want something better than minimum requirements cause obviously games are only going to demand more cpu/graphic power going forward. Help, please I need a gaming rig crash course.
Budget? A co-worker is pricing out a gaming rig, and it's probably around $3,000.

It's good, but nothing amazing TBH. Although for some reason, he's also insistent on getting a 1,000 W PSU, and I just don't get it. :huh:

Pcpartpicker would be a good place to start.

Graphic cards prices are obscene, and could easily be half to a third of your total cost.

I personally look at CPU/RAM, and then go from there. Although I haven't built a proper desktop in a decade either, it's a ship of Theseus, and just a storage box.

Could also look at buying something pre built, but I wouldn't get a Dell or HP, they use non-standard components, sometimes cheaper ones too.
 
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I haven't had a gaming pc in well over a decade. My series of laptops have been great for home/work, but beyond simple games like The Long Dark, my laptop can't handle fps. I don't know the first thing about building a rig so my question is where are good places to find gaming rigs for sale and what's a good quality rig cost these days. I want to play SCUM, RUST, games like that. So I don't think I need top of the line but obviously want something better than minimum requirements cause obviously games are only going to demand more cpu/graphic power going forward. Help, please I need a gaming rig crash course.

If you're always connected to the internet, have you considered game streaming services? You wouldn't have to build or buy anything, just use the laptops that you already have. I would look into Nvidia GeForce Now, which I believe gives you access to your Steam library (so, presumably, if you ever cancel GeForce Now and build a machine, you'll keep the games that you bought). It has a free tier that limits you to 1 hour sessions that you could use as a trial to see if it suits your needs before upgrading to a paid tier. That said, an online FPS like Rust doesn't sound like the kind of game that streaming works best with, but it's maybe worth trying before spending $1500+.
 
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Budget somewhere around $1.5-2k, US dollars. Just a cursory look around and graphics card prices seem a bit obscene. I know there are shortages, when those let up will prices come back to normal?
 

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I haven't had a gaming pc in well over a decade. My series of laptops have been great for home/work, but beyond simple games like The Long Dark, my laptop can't handle fps. I don't know the first thing about building a rig so my question is where are good places to find gaming rigs for sale and what's a good quality rig cost these days. I want to play SCUM, RUST, games like that. So I don't think I need top of the line but obviously want something better than minimum requirements cause obviously games are only going to demand more cpu/graphic power going forward. Help, please I need a gaming rig crash course.

Budget somewhere around $1.5-2k, US dollars. Just a cursory look around and graphics card prices seem a bit obscene. I know there are shortages, when those let up will prices come back to normal?

For a very gaming-focused system, a good rule of thumb is to plan to put as much as 2/3 of the total cost into your graphics card. Your CPU is relatively less important, unless you are going to be doing a lot of productivity work (especially video editing). If you are a content creator, you want to invest in the CPU as well.

As far as the landscape goes, the struggle for builders for the last two years or so has been limited availability of GPUs owing to GPU cryptocurrency mining. This led scalpers to buy up all the stock and to inflated prices for gamers. That has come down in a big way this year, but you can still struggle to find GPUs at their listed MSRP. You also might have to be patient to find a card at a price you consider reasonable. Stock and prices are improving, but you might need to get lucky to find what you want in stock at that price.

Using the 2/3 guidance, if you're looking at an upper mid-range GPU like a RTX 3070 at $500, you can build a streamlined system for about $800. (This is excluding monitor and peripherals and taking a very streamlined approach, with few bells and whistles at this price point. Any decision to re-use parts you may already have makes sense at this lower tier.)

With a $600 GPU like RTX 3070 Ti, your total cost might be about $1000.

With an $800 GPU like an RTX 3080, your total cost might be about $1200-$1400.

If you look at an RTX 3080 Ti at around $1200 or so, your total cost falls in the $1800-$1900 range.

For a system based around the RTX 3090, the GPU is $1800 and the total cost is going to push $3000.

AMD doesn't yet do ray tracing as well as nVidia, and their GPU prices are lower for the same clock speeds as a result. You can get great value from going with AMD over nVidia, especially at the lower price points and if ray tracing is not important to you.

I recommend nVidia 3000 series for the GPU and AMD 5000 series on the AM4 platform for the CPU right now, personally. As for the perennial question, "isn't something better coming out in six months," well, the answer to that is always yes. The technology is always moving. Intel just introduced a new platform and AMD is planning to do so with AM5 later this year.

Getting in on a new platform early can give you CPU upgrade potential down the line. If you buy AM4 right now, the last of the compatible CPUs have just come out. You're limited as far as your CPU upgrade path. So it might be a factor for you if you want to build something today and continue upgrading it over time. A new platform can be expensive, though, and parts compatibility hit and miss (e.g., RAM, CPU coolers, etc.)
 
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I have no idea what ray tracing is so I dunno. I am not a content creator and have no interest in doing so. This is strictly a play games on it computer. It might eventually replace my laptop as an every day rig but the maneuverability of my laptop is paramount for work, so I doubt I'll give it up.

Yes I figured that number for the rig itself and the monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, as separate. I do know the new 4000 series graphics cards are coming out around Christmas. While of course I want it now, if waiting will save 10% or more on total cost that's fine.

Have any of you guys ever bought a pre-build from pcpartpicker? I'm afraid I don't have enough knowledge to actually go and pick and choose the best parts so I actually get a good/great performance/cost ratio. But you're telling me to choose the graphics card first and then build around that?

Thanks for the info @Drake1588 and @guinness.
 

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I've used and seen others have good experiences with CyberPowerPC. I also know of someone who just used them and had a bad experience. So YMMV. Builders really made a good bit of sense when stock was low and prices were high because they had agreements to buy in bulk from the manufacturers and they didn't have the same problems with scalpers. Today?

Builders do the work for you, but you lose visibility into the process. Most have a configurator tool, which lets you pick particular models of parts and sometimes a generic option that is a lower price. My experience is that whenever they are vague, that means they will be using the very cheapest possible parts solution. So pick all brand name parts where possible when 'assembling' a gaming PC on one of those sites. Sometimes important parts, like the PSU, don't even give you a brand option. I'm sometimes wary in those instances.

They give you a good price, and they are an extremely convenient solution. Yet the control is obviously something that you give up. NZXT, MicroCenter both have a PC builder service. I'd stay away from Alienware, as their current desktops have a horrible design that traps heat for the sake of looks. In general, try to find a case that allows airflow through the front of the case via mesh perforations. That usually gives you the best cooling solution. I've heard bad stories about iBuyPower too.

Here's a list and reviews of system builders. They have a lot of expensive options on there.

 
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Drake,

You made me look it up. There's a microcenter in Dallas. So I'll go check them out and ask some questions. While I'm not opposed to doing an online transaction, I do prefer on something like this to talk to a real person and know all the details of what's in there before hand. Thanks for the heads up.
 
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Drake,

You made me look it up. There's a microcenter in Dallas. So I'll go check them out and ask some questions. While I'm not opposed to doing an online transaction, I do prefer on something like this to talk to a real person and know all the details of what's in there before hand. Thanks for the heads up.
Good stuff. Hope you find a solution that works for your needs. As a PC builder, I see the world through a builder's eyes, but there's more than one path out there to gaming goodness.
 

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Cyber power is dog shit. I basically had to rebuild my friends cyber power prebuilt. Janky quality, thermal paste less than the size of a quarter with a terrible cpu cooler.

If you have a micro center then utilize them.
 

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I just set up my new Alienware AW3423DW QLED panel for PC gaming and 1) it's incredible, and 2) I'm going to need a larger desk. For gaming and media, that's one sexy picture. Maybe less ideal for text and work.

Upgrading from an ASUS ROG Swift 27" 1440P QHD, IPS, 165Hz, G-SYNC panel. Running a Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3080 Ti and X570 platform.
OMG, so jealous! And that's coming from someone with a 49" Samsung super ultra wide (which I love). Definitely considering the QLED Alienware. Already approximated it as 2/3rds my current 49"er.
 
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Just built my PC, Im running with a Ryzen 7 5800x cpu and gpu is a 3070TI fW3 edition, 32 GB ram on ASUS 1080p 144hz monitor , anybody have any opinions on this cpu and gpu combo? Are they are good combination or did I spend too much on GPU? paid about 700$ for GPU
 

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Just built my PC, Im running with a Ryzen 7 5800x cpu and gpu is a 3070TI fW3 edition, 32 GB ram on ASUS 1080p 144hz monitor , anybody have any opinions on this cpu and gpu combo? Are they are good combination or did I spend too much on GPU? paid about 700$ for GPU

Very solid PC. You can always run 3D benchmark to get some scores.

I just built another PC for myself with the exact same specs as yours a few weeks ago except I went with a 3080 instead of the 3070TI.
 
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I haven't checked GPU prices in like 6 months. Oh man have prices crashed. 3080 TI prices down like 40% and readily available. 3090 TI down 50% almost. This crypto crash looks permanent. Expect prices to drop further.
 

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I haven't checked GPU prices in like 6 months. Oh man have prices crashed. 3080 TI prices down like 40% and readily available. 3090 TI down 50% almost. This crypto crash looks permanent. Expect prices to drop further.

Yup, plus reports Nvidia is trying to clear out inventory before the 40xx cards are officially announced in the next month or two.
 

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Just built my PC, Im running with a Ryzen 7 5800x cpu and gpu is a 3070TI fW3 edition, 32 GB ram on ASUS 1080p 144hz monitor , anybody have any opinions on this cpu and gpu combo? Are they are good combination or did I spend too much on GPU? paid about 700$ for GPU
That's a very good combo, especially for a 1080p 144Hz monitor. I have a similar build, just with a 5600X and 3070. Most games that I've thrown at it hit my 140fps cap on ultra settings without ray tracing and get 65-90 with ray tracing. If you had a 1080p 60Hz monitor, your GPU would be overkill, but it's very nice for getting the most out of a 1080p 144Hz one.
 

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I'm an old guy that doesn't know too much anymore, but I've gotten some help here before, so I thought I'd ask for an opinion.

I have an older Alienware desktop that I use for some gaming (mostly games like The Sims, Skyrim, and more recently Madden 22 w/ the NCAA mod and Spiderman. I think the games run pretty well but can probably be better.
Anyway, I have a few extra hundred dollars, not enough to buy a new system, but I thought about upgrading my graphics card with it. I was wondering what the best card I could buy for around 300 without buying something that would be too much for the older CPU I have (if that makes sense).

My system specs are.
Intel Core i5-9400 CPU @2.90 GHz, 6 cores
32 GB
1 TB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 (which I think it just 1GB if I'm reading that right under Adapter RAM).
 

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The GTX 1660 has 6GB and is only 3 years old. For around $300, you could buy the RTX 3050 with 8GB, but the difference in framerates appears to be only 15-25%:



That's not worth $300, IMO. I'd save my money for now if I were you. 6 months from now, $350 or so should be able to get you a 4060 or a discounted 3070, both of which would be much better bang for your buck. If you're OK with used, you might even be able to get a used 3070 for that much in only a few months, once people with them upgrade to 40X0 models.
 
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I'm an old guy that doesn't know too much anymore, but I've gotten some help here before, so I thought I'd ask for an opinion.

I have an older Alienware desktop that I use for some gaming (mostly games like The Sims, Skyrim, and more recently Madden 22 w/ the NCAA mod and Spiderman. I think the games run pretty well but can probably be better.
Anyway, I have a few extra hundred dollars, not enough to buy a new system, but I thought about upgrading my graphics card with it. I was wondering what the best card I could buy for around 300 without buying something that would be too much for the older CPU I have (if that makes sense).

My system specs are.
Intel Core i5-9400 CPU @2.90 GHz, 6 cores
32 GB
1 TB SSD
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 (which I think it just 1GB if I'm reading that right under Adapter RAM).

Everyone is currently expecting the 40 series to be announced next week, with the 4090 available on Oct 22nd. 4080 in November and 4070 in December. The 4060 in January/February.

There seems to be a good amount of the 30 series stock in the pipeline. Could see some the 30 series prices fall a good bit more in the upcoming month or two.
 

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