Barnaby
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I believe that 1st became Nils Lundkvist, not Miller. Nils then became a 1 later on. We can debate the results of that but who knows if the Tank trade happens if the NYR don’t acquire that other 1st or not.
Value of: Pavel Buchnevich
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StickShift
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If St Louis is not contending for a playoff spot by the TDL—they should absolutely sell.
It seems like he would be the premier TDL acquisition if he was available. I would think a Timo Meier-ish trade package.
It seems like he would be the premier TDL acquisition if he was available. I would think a Timo Meier-ish trade package.
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EdJovanovski
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Kakko & Goodrow for Buch
PocketNines
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Hugely optimistic. 27-28 could be the first interesting season if and only if they draft a true #1 defenseman this draft. It's basically 3 years after that moment of building before they will have a chance. They don't have that player, the clock hasn't even begun yet. It's at minimum this year and three additional years. We have a hapless moron running the team also, he will have to be replaced as well.
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This is actually who I wished the Devils got instead of Meier. Better cap situation, more versatile player.
Oh well. Lucky team who nabs this guy.
Oh well. Lucky team who nabs this guy.
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No deal. We need to send him back for a few months to recharge.We have a second to offer, but no Sammy Blais
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At the TDL a realistic offer the blues would take would be
To STL
2024 1st
Zac Jones
Brennan Othmann
To NYR
Buch at 50% retained
With that said I know rangers fans will freak out about that offer and not sure rangers do it but its a realistic offer and fair for both sides imo. Rangers get buch at effectively a $2.9 cap hit for 1.5 years and then the opportunity to re-sign him at the end. Rangers end the 2024 season with a lineup of
Kreider-Mika-Buch
Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Trocheck-Kakko
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey
Wheeler (hes cooked)
Lingren-Fox
Kandre-Trouba
Gustafsson-Schneider
Igor
This is a stanley cup roster with buch. Its the type of trade you make as you go for it in 23-24 and 24-25 seasons
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Nah. Miller is way too good. Rangers would become a worse team. Miller is more valuable than buch.
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It's really hard to pin down the value of a guy like Buchnevich because of that impending contract situation. He's not in that pure "rental" market where you've got a lot of baseline comparables to work from.
But a lot of it also kinda comes down to what sort of contract you think Buchnevich is going to want as a UFA after next year. You can't spend multiple premium top tier futures assets on a guy you're not sure you can afford to keep beyond that. Optically, it's suicide for a GM to do that kind of thing.
So it puts the acquiring team in an awkward situation, adding leverage for Buch's camp because they know the GM can't afford to walk away.
You're realistically looking at $9M+ at that point, on more or less a "retirement term". Is that something you're comfortable with? The answer to that question ultimately has to factor into the equation of what you can afford to give up in terms of "assets". Especially when it's compounded by the risk of the player deciding to just walk for a huge payday somewhere else anyway.
But...he'd be a game changing acquisition for a playoff team looking to add something big to really put them over the top. Few other wingers who are even potentially available would have the sort of impact you get from a big, robust, ~PPG two-way winger with a bit of center versatility...right in his prime. And his contract for this year and next is very reasonable and at least within striking distance of fitting into a lot of team's limited cap space, with a little bit of finagling.
But a lot of it also kinda comes down to what sort of contract you think Buchnevich is going to want as a UFA after next year. You can't spend multiple premium top tier futures assets on a guy you're not sure you can afford to keep beyond that. Optically, it's suicide for a GM to do that kind of thing.
So it puts the acquiring team in an awkward situation, adding leverage for Buch's camp because they know the GM can't afford to walk away.
You're realistically looking at $9M+ at that point, on more or less a "retirement term". Is that something you're comfortable with? The answer to that question ultimately has to factor into the equation of what you can afford to give up in terms of "assets". Especially when it's compounded by the risk of the player deciding to just walk for a huge payday somewhere else anyway.
But...he'd be a game changing acquisition for a playoff team looking to add something big to really put them over the top. Few other wingers who are even potentially available would have the sort of impact you get from a big, robust, ~PPG two-way winger with a bit of center versatility...right in his prime. And his contract for this year and next is very reasonable and at least within striking distance of fitting into a lot of team's limited cap space, with a little bit of finagling.
BleedBlue14
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That’s what most high end expiring UFAs got. There would be no benefit to moving him this season if that were the supposed offer
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