Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich Part V

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He doesn't get a lot of minutes because he's lazy, plays no defense, is soft, never wins puck battles and looks like he doesn't care half the time. Trade bait during the draft. Not who I want on this team going forward.

This thread isn't about Vesey

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This thread isn't about Vesey

But yet there you are bringing up Vesey...your hate for him has no boundaries.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

But yet there you are bringing up Vesey...your hate for him has no boundaries.

I don't hate Vesey. I hate the constant overrating of Vesey combined with the "Buchnevich is lazy" BS

 

[Lays]

I have a weird feeling Buch will be traded in the offseason

 

[kovazub94]

I have a weird feeling Buch will be traded in the offseason

Take some aspirin, go under covers and sweat it out.

 

[Waivers]

Yeah, no Buchnevich is not going to be moved. Unless there is a deal that is irrefutable to make, but that won't happen.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Buchnevich is 3rd on the team in points, 2nd in PP points.

In a rebuild, I am not worried he will be traded. Those are quite impressive for a 2nd year NHL player, especially since his first year was cut short by injuries.

 

[Thirty One]

Buchnevich is 3rd on the team in points, 2nd in PP points.

In a rebuild, I am not worried he will be traded. Those are quite impressive for a 2nd year NHL player, especially since his first year was cut short by injuries.

But he's also first on the team in making Nopuckluck upset. So...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

But he's also first on the team in making Nopuckluck upset. So...

Buchnevich is lazy because he's Russian.
Buchnevich can't defend because he's Russian.
Buchenvich is selfish because he's Russian.
Buchnevich can bolt for the KHL because he's Russian.

Did I leave anything out?

 

[JohnC]

But he's also first on the team in making Nopuckluck upset. So...

All the more reason to keep him around imo

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He also plays 15:03, which is absurdly low.

Does any other team play one of their top 3 leading scorer less than 16 minutes per game? He was less than 15 per game before all these recent trades.

 

[haveandare]

He's had a very productive year given the minutes he's gotten, but he also can, should and hopefully will be more noticeable night after night next year.

I said before but it bears repeating, I think he and Skjei need a new coach the worst out of anybody on this team.

 

[Harbour Dog]

He also plays 15:03, which is absurdly low.

Does any other team play one of their top 3 leading scorer less than 16 minutes per game? He was less than 15 per game before all these recent trades.

I did the legwork on this. Guys under 16 minutes who are top three on their team in points:

Daniel Sedin - 15:09
Henrik Sedin - 15:26
Brendan Gallagher - 15:58

Only other guys under 16 and a half minutes were:

Alex Galchenyuk - 16:08
Nico Hischier - 16:14
Mitch Marner - 16:16
Pierre-Luc Dubois - 16:21

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Buch gave up on the season ? 1 goal in the last 23 games.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Hard to blame him when he's been mistreated all year, and also was last season. Wouldn't blame him if he wanted to return to the KHL. Look at the post above yours. There isn't a forward in the league as productive who plays less.

Edit: To actually address the point. He's been banished to lower lines lately and has had to play with plugs and then struggling players like Namestnikov, so it's not much of a surprise his recent stats aren't good. Whether or not he "gave up", he's getting no help from AV. He's being treated like a grinder.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Amazing--trying to explain away a sophomore slump by suggesting Buch feels mistreated and has given up?

If he's given up, he should go back to Europe because he's never going to thrive in the NHL.

However, I doubt that's the case--almost any young player who's made it this far is not going to give up and hope a change in coaches is going to "save" him. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong, kids are going to go out there and try and prove the doubters wrong. That's the best way to have a long and successful career in the NHL.

Buch is not that fragile, give him some credit for having to work through a difficult period in his career. I happen to think he's part of the Rangers' future, but he is not a finished product yet, he has to work harder and speed up his game more. There's less time to make decisions in the NHL, the game is faster and played on a smaller ice surface. Making decisions quickly and shooting more will make it very hard to move him out of the top 6.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Buch gave up on the season ? 1 goal in the last 23 games.

Players go through stretches like this. He's 4th on the team in points in his 2nd NHL season

 

[kovazub94]

I think his game’s been coming around a bit. That defensive sequence on a PP in the first where he kept the puck in the O-zone was great. If Namestnikov wasn’t snakebitten and there was someone other than McLeod on the other wing - there’d be points for Buch.

 

[Thirty One]

Buch gave up on the season ? 1 goal in the last 23 games.

Zibanejad went 1 goal in 11
Grabner went 1 goal in 10
Hayes went 1 goal in 11
Nash went 1 goal in 14
Vesey went 1 goal in 12
Zuccarello went 1 goal in 25
Kreider went 1 goal in 16
Fast went 1 goal in 29
Miller went 1 goal in 17

Goal slides happen. Them being a result of giving up is a simpleton's explanation.

 

[Mikos87]

Zibanejad went 1 goal in 11
Grabner went 1 goal in 10
Hayes went 1 goal in 11
Nash went 1 goal in 14
Vesey went 1 goal in 12
Zuccarello went 1 goal in 25
Kreider went 1 goal in 16
Fast went 1 goal in 29
Miller went 1 goal in 17

Goal slides happen. Them being a result of giving up is a simpleton's explanation.

How many of those happened under this coach this year?

 

[Mikos87]

Players go through stretches like this. He's 4th on the team in points in his 2nd NHL season

Theory of hockey relativity my friend. Not bashing Buch... But people here are grasping for positives among mediocrity.

Sad to see.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Theory of hockey relativity my friend. Not bashing Buch... But people here are grasping for positives among mediocrity.

Sad to see.

Mediocrity? 4th on the team in points as a 2nd year NHLer. Fans just expect a 22-year old to be a finished product.

 

[Thirty One]

How many of those happened under this coach this year?

Those are all 2017-18 Ranger numbers.

 

[Mikos87]

Mediocrity? 4th on the team in points as a 2nd year NHLer. Fans just expect a 22-year old to be a finished product.

I'm not saying he sucked... But I'm not going to pat a single player on the back after a losing outing this season.

I just dont think that cultivates a winning culture.

PS: I'd play Buch on the top six over the crap we saw for the last three months.

 

[Nickmo82]

It'd be nice if the idiot coach put his players in the best position to succeed. He's been told to go with youth by the FO and has. Pionk is getting treated great. Filip and Lias have done well in their cameo... all because they are put in a position to succeed.

Buchnevich is still a very young player, but AV sticks him with Cody f***ing McLeod, a place where hockey goes to die. The way AV has treated Buch is ridiculous.

I'll grant that at times Buchnevich doesn't look overly dynamic on the ice, especially in his own end... but so what? When given ice time and competent linemates, he's proven to be an effective producer.

I'd say it's far more important to have Buch playing well with Zib and Kreider than it is Fast. Fast can play effective hockey on the 3rd and 4th line, whereas it's not Buchnevich's role.

Play your players where they have the best chance to play well. That's all you have to do.