Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich Part V

[Idlerlee]

Zucc was sick. He couldn't play on Saturday.

AV scratched Zucc during his first season here. Zucc returned and went from a bubble guy to the player he's been the last seasons. The scratch was a enormous catalyst.

He did the same thing to Pouliot. Same result.

My thought was just that AV might be using an actual proven thing to re-energize Buch's effort level.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

So AV is that good with managing ice time? I think you are giving a lot of credit to someone who has shown himself to be very bad in his coaching of the team the last few seasons.

When his minutes are the highest, he's obviously playing with the top players, first line, first PP, gets to play in OT. When his minutes are the lowest, the coach throws him on with Desharnais, Vesey, Carey, Nieves, Fast, etc, can't get any rhythm because he's barely playing, his line gets skipped, he'll be benched on his regular line then play the PP, won't play from like 5 minutes left in the game and then he's randomly tasked with the SO.

Put any player on the team in that situation, and I think you get similar types of splits.

Sure but that's a quality of ice time issue, not quantity.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Last season he was a rookie with back problems, you could justify what AV did. This year is inexcusable.

Less excusable? Yes. Inexcusable? No.

I have no problem with a blossoming player who does not have a consistent level of effort each game get a scratch here or there. The problem, as is so often the case, is that fans hate other players who aren't "new toys" more and it becomes a "WHY NOT THEM?!" game.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

No player in the NHL can wait for the play to come to them. They have to go out and make things happen. Buchnevich hasn't been doing that over the last several weeks and it shows. It doesn't matter what line he's on, he needs to go out there and make something happen, even if his linemates can't finish--that's how players earn more ice time and move up in the lineup. If he doesn't do it enough, someone else will get his ice time.

And also, what we see as fans is only a small part of what the coaching staff sees. We don't know if he's doing what he's been told to do in practice, how he prepares for games, etc. It's too early in his career to have a sense of entitlement.

I'm sure that Buchnevich will learn. But he has to come back on the ice and get engaged--Regardless of who's he playing with.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Wow, just looked up Buch's stats: one assist in his last 5 games and only 5 points (out of 26) in away games. He needs to show more on the ice.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Where does this idea that he doesn't show consistent effort? Is it because he's Russian? Enigmatic PP specialist?

There really just isn't a good argument for scratching Buchnevich. AV did this because he does not value Buchnevich, he views him as probably what I just said, an enigmatic PP specialist. Does he behave enigmatically? Who knows, but this is a coach who was stereotyping him from the second he joined the team.

We constantly hear that he's bad defensively, even though his defensive stats are very good, and he does show smart defensive play. He doesn't make crunching hits or make dumb plays where he takes himself far out of position to cause attention to his defensive effort, and I guess thats how some judge defensive play, including our coach.

Points in their last 10 games:

Nash: 1
Buchnevich: 3
Zibanejad: 2
Hayes: 5
Miller: 5
Zuccarello: 6

I could also bring up ice time for these players, but we all know Buchnevich has the lowest of that bunch of players. He always does.

If you were to look at those stats, would you automatically scratch the guy with 3 points? Would you scapegoat him as the player who needed a bunching? AV would, and seemingly a lot of our fans would. These are the same people who preferred Glass over Buchnevich in the playoffs, and then early on this season they claimed Buchnevich had improved so much, when in reality he had made minor improvements and got proper ice time. They were trying to cover for their gaffes in judgement. Same gaffes in judgement that are happening now.

 

[mrmovies779]

I dont have a problem with the benching.We all know how talented Buch is,i think this benching can be a good thing for him.A kick in the ass he needs to get hungry again and make things happen on the ice.

 

[Fvital92]

Less excusable? Yes. Inexcusable? No.

I have no problem with a blossoming player who does not have a consistent level of effort each game get a scratch here or there. The problem, as is so often the case, is that fans hate other players who aren't "new toys" more and it becomes a "WHY NOT THEM?!" game.

So you don't have a problem with him scratching your 3rd most productive foward to play Carey, Lettieri, DD, Vesey, Nash, JT Miller, who are all playing mediocre hockey at best? BTW Kreider is out. You must be crazy.
Fans love production, and he gives fans that, at least more than the rest of the team.

 

[darko]

Where does this idea that he doesn't show consistent effort? Is it because he's Russian? Enigmatic PP specialist?

By watching him play. Can look disinterested and borderline lazy at times. Nothing to do with a fact he's Russian.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

By watching him play. Can look disinterested and borderline lazy at times. Nothing to do with a fact he's Russian.

Thats like every player in the National Hockey league, except Jesper Fast and the few players on each team who play like him.

He did nothing to be scapegoated yet again by the coach, unless there's something going on within the team that we don't know about. But based off AV's usual lineup decisions, I don't think thats the case. Adam Herman had a good tweet the other day. AV just doesn't value Buch. Do we think he knows what all these stats people talk about even are? Do you think he knows Buchnevich is third on his team in points? Do we think he knows the TOI rankings on the team? Probably not.

 

[Idlerlee]

These are the same people who preferred Glass over Buchnevich in the playoffs

Tanner Glass, for all the hate he got form his performance most games, was one of the best Rangers forwards in the Playoffs. Tanner Glass absolutely deserved to play over Buch in the PO's last season.

I don't see the problem with scratching him a game to wake him up, its not punishment, its motivation.

 

[Inferno]

Tanner Glass, for all the hate he got form his performance most games, was one of the best Rangers forwards in the Playoffs. Tanner Glass absolutely deserved to play over Buch in the PO's last season.

I don't see the problem with scratching him a game to wake him up, its not punishment, its motivation.

No....just.....no.....

I can't even....

 

[Idlerlee]

No....just.....no.....

I can't even....

Tanner didn't have a good playoffs for the Rangers last season?

Ok then

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Tanner didn't have a good playoffs for the Rangers last season?

Ok then

Good for Tanner Glass standards, not good for hockey in general.

He wasn't a total disaster so everyone was falling over themselves to say how great he was, like the professional hockey player isn't completely overwhelmed and doing nothing right like he normally is, wow he's playing so great. No, just better than usual for him.

Buch being inserted to the Montreal series was important injection of skill. Buch is a better hockey in every imaginable way than Glass and he should've been in the lineup for every playoff game over him.

AS for Buch this year:

It's getting ridiculous the point to which AV undervalues Buch. He's throwing away a useful skill player, just willfully misusing him and not getting the most out of him.

Isn't it a coach's job to get the most out of his players? Put them in positions to maximize their value and to succeed?

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Hey did anyone read what Brent Seabrook said when Quenneville healthy scratched him.

Brent Seabrook: "It’s tough. I've just got to stay focused, and when I get a chance to be back in the lineup, I’ve got to be ready to go."

Hope Buch read that too and comes back with a hat trick next game.

 

[will1066]

The only thing that is improving with Buch these days is his English.

I kid. I kid.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is an AV problem. As the stats show, other coaches don't do this. They play their best offensive players. Only AV gives them significantly less TOI than they deserve, and then scratches them for no reason.



"Not a good defensive forward" though.



And while he hasn't been scoring points recently, same problem for all our other top offensive players. Why is he scapegoated by AV?

 

[DanielBrassard]

It seems obvious to me that AV doesn't particularly love him.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

So you don't have a problem with him scratching your 3rd most productive foward to play Carey, Lettieri, DD, Vesey, Nash, JT Miller, who are all playing mediocre hockey at best? BTW Kreider is out. You must be crazy.
Fans love production, and he gives fans that, at least more than the rest of the team.

Define "3rd most productive forward." Are we going strictly by points? Because if so, Buchnevich is sitting because of his apparent disinterest on the other side of the puck.

 

[mrmovies779]

Its more an effort or lack of,then production with Buch thats the problem.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

These are just empty platitudes. He hasn't been on the ice for a 5 on 5 goal in like a month, his defense has been fine. His season defense stats are also among the best on the team.

The effort thing is completely subjective, and these comments about "effort" seem all too disproportionate when it comes to Russian players, I wonder why. Someone could say they prefer Tanner Glass to Connor McDavid because he looks like he shows more effort. How do you expect someone to respond to such a subjective measure that I don't think anyone really knows how to measure?

 

[mrmovies779]

These are just empty platitudes. He hasn't been on the ice for a 5 on 5 goal in like a month, his defense has been fine. His season defense stats are also among the best on the team.

The effort thing is completely subjective, and these comments about "effort" seem all too disproportionate when it comes to Russian players, I wonder why. Someone could say they prefer Tanner Glass to Connor McDavid because he looks like he shows more effort. How do you expect someone to respond to such a subjective measure that I don't think anyone really knows how to measure?

Stop turning this into a Russian thing when nobody else in the thread has implied that.

 

[Fvital92]

Define "3rd most productive forward." Are we going strictly by points? Because if so, Buchnevich is sitting because of his apparent disinterest on the other side of the puck.

Points, advanced stats, you choose. Who cares if he is apparent desinterest? He scores, assists and is at least decent in the defensive zone. Better than 3/4 of our roster.

 

[haveandare]

It seems obvious to me that AV doesn't particularly love him.

The problem is, it shouldn't be obvious who a coach does or doesn't like outside the scope of their play, because the coaches job is to set the team up to win. Buch helps them win by any metric.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Stop turning this into a Russian thing when nobody else in the thread has implied that.

I saw some non-Ranger fans talking about it on twitter the other day, but yeah, its only my theory.