Felidae
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This shouldn't be an "AINEC" either way, they are pretty close as players.
Kariya
Points: 3, 3, 4, 7
PPG: 4, 5, 7
Goals: 4, 7, 9, 10
GPG: 3, 5
Hart finishes: 2, 8, 9
Bure
Points: 2, 3, 5, 7
PPG: 3, 7, 7, 8
Goals: 1, 1, 1, 3, 5
GPG: 1, 2, 2, 3, 6, 7
Hart finishes: 3, 9
I will say, when Bure finished 2nd and 3rd in scoring, it was during weaker years for forwards than when Kariya finished 3rd in scoring twice. Bure in 1999 finished 2nd in points in a year Jagr won the Art Ross missing 19 games. Strong year for Jagr, not so much for everyone else relatively speaking. A lot of the top forwards like Sakic, Forsberg and Bure himself missed games.
In 1997, Jagr's weakest art Ross, prime Forsberg. But then Palffy, Leclair, old man Gretzky. Again, not the strongest group..
In comparison, when Kariya finished 3rd in 1996, peak Selanne and old man Lemieux (who was producing at a peak Jagr rate)
And then in 1998, finished 3rd against peak Jagr playing a whole season, peak Selanne, and forsberg and Sakic in their primes.
Of course, maybe this is offset by the fact Selanne was Kariya's teammate, but Kariya also proved himself as an elite scorer without Selanne in 1995-96, finishing 7th in scoring as a 21 year old, with a 61 point gap over the next best scorer on the team..
so I think you could argue Kariya was Bure's equal in terms of overall point production at their peak.
But whether you think Kariya was better overall offensively or not, Bure has such a clear edge in goalscoring that I'm not sure a small edge Kariya has as a point producer makes up for it
Kariya
Points: 3, 3, 4, 7
PPG: 4, 5, 7
Goals: 4, 7, 9, 10
GPG: 3, 5
Hart finishes: 2, 8, 9
Bure
Points: 2, 3, 5, 7
PPG: 3, 7, 7, 8
Goals: 1, 1, 1, 3, 5
GPG: 1, 2, 2, 3, 6, 7
Hart finishes: 3, 9
I will say, when Bure finished 2nd and 3rd in scoring, it was during weaker years for forwards than when Kariya finished 3rd in scoring twice. Bure in 1999 finished 2nd in points in a year Jagr won the Art Ross missing 19 games. Strong year for Jagr, not so much for everyone else relatively speaking. A lot of the top forwards like Sakic, Forsberg and Bure himself missed games.
In 1997, Jagr's weakest art Ross, prime Forsberg. But then Palffy, Leclair, old man Gretzky. Again, not the strongest group..
In comparison, when Kariya finished 3rd in 1996, peak Selanne and old man Lemieux (who was producing at a peak Jagr rate)
And then in 1998, finished 3rd against peak Jagr playing a whole season, peak Selanne, and forsberg and Sakic in their primes.
Of course, maybe this is offset by the fact Selanne was Kariya's teammate, but Kariya also proved himself as an elite scorer without Selanne in 1995-96, finishing 7th in scoring as a 21 year old, with a 61 point gap over the next best scorer on the team..
so I think you could argue Kariya was Bure's equal in terms of overall point production at their peak.
But whether you think Kariya was better overall offensively or not, Bure has such a clear edge in goalscoring that I'm not sure a small edge Kariya has as a point producer makes up for it