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Paul Kariya doesn't remember 2003 SC-finals game 6 nor 7

Sad kariyas out of the game. What a player he was. I didn't like Stevens big hits, but it was part of the game. He was a hell of a defender.

The dirtiest hit against a duck actually wasn't sutter or Stevens. It was that pos Ludwig on selanne. Luckily teemu wasn't injured. Stevens is way down my shit list. Way down.
 
Oh god shut up. So many moralists judging Stevens' play through a moral lense of 2017. We literally didn't know what we know about concussions in sports until well into the late '00s on up until now. There are numerous NFL players that would literally shit their pants after taking so many hits to the head during a game, sniff salts during games to 'wakeup' and get right back out there. Have you read the stories Jim McMahon told about concussions? You're kidding yourselves if the whole idea of toughing it out in all of sports wasn't the culture at the time. In the era Stevens played you were told to be a warrior. You grew up playing hockey from age 4 with that attitude. You grew up watching teams like the broadstreet bullies. You played in a league with extraordinarily scary people like Tony Twist, Probert, Rob Blake, and Chris nilan. You can't ask people to go out there and play like a wild animal and then judge them years later because they hurt people. That was literally the job of Jersey's HOF defense at the time that led to so much winning. While people complain how Stevens destroyed guys like Lindros, it isn't like Lindros never rung peoples' bells either. I mean remember when he obliterated Konstintinov? Pretty sure Konstintinov had a concussion from getting aborted by Lindros.
 
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yeah what a "warrior" cheap shotting a guy in the head

that's why the league was garbage back then, slow no talent punks like scott stevens had to blind side true talents like kariya

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yeah what a "warrior" cheap shotting a guy in the head

that's why the league was garbage back then, slow no talent punks like scott stevens had to blind side true talents like kariya

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Scott Stevens had 8 seasons of at least 50 points in his career. 78 points one year. Then he changed his focus and play style. Hardly a man without talent.
 
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yeah what a "warrior" cheap shotting a guy in the head

that's why the league was garbage back then, slow no talent punks like scott stevens had to blind side true talents like kariya

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No one condoned this hit so just take a breath and get off your high horse.

The league was garbage back then? And Stevens was a no punk talent? You clearly never watched hockey back then or watched Stevens, but it's ok, I would just recommend you quit the "purists" approach....especially when you have no clue what your talking about.

Maybe don't act like so sensitive and emotional towards the topic, and actually educate yourself on them instead....just a thought.
 
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Sad kariyas out of the game. What a player he was. I didn't like Stevens big hits, but it was part of the game. He was a hell of a defender.

The dirtiest hit against a duck actually wasn't sutter or Stevens. It was that pos Ludwig on selanne. Luckily teemu wasn't injured. Stevens is way down my **** list. Way down.

Yeah I agree, Kariya was my favourite player growing up - I thought that particular hit was late but for the most part Stevens played within the rules of the time, even if he was mean as all hell, and I still respect him.

Now the Suter crosscheck on Kariya, that was the dirtiest incident I've ever seen on a Ducks player. I don't think Paul was quite ever the same after that, and it's really too bad because he was arguably the best player on the planet at the time that occurred. Suter is a rat, there is no defending that one as a hockey play.
 
This is the crux of the issue: different era viewed in hindsight. Rose colored glasses, but going the opposite way.

Why is it that Stevens is forever brought up with these discussions, but the other of the same rough era (80s to pre-lockout) are never mentioned?

Marchment - Knee and head hunter, and purposely so. Played to intentionally injure players.
Hatcher - Just as much of a 'head hunter' as Stevens, but more often than not hit players well OUTSIDE the play, and often charged and made runs at guys as retaliation.
Williams - A bit earlier but was know to cross check his opponents in the head, or butt-ending guys in the face.
Ciccarelli - Known to club guys in the head with his stick. It wasn't only once, he did a number of times.

The list goes on and on. Most of the guys I could list are considered 'good, hard playing warriors' or are fan favorites but somehow Stevens is a POS for playing within the rules of the day.

You can find interviews with guys about Stevens hits:

Lindros stated quite clearly, 'These things happen and we move forward'.
Ron Francis said he felt no ill will, he's a tough competitor.
Koslov never said much, but from what I've gathered most of the Detroit team accepted it as a good hit. No one went after Stevens except Ciccarelli.
The hit on Willis upset some guys in Carolina, but the coach at the time said it was a fine hit.

And before it gets mentioned again, Stevens was not some 'no-talent' hack. You don't get into the HHOF simply on hitting. He lost out on the Norris by something like 5 votes to Bourque; not exactly 'talentless' if the Norris is that close.

How coincidental was it that the Capitals became successful while he was on their roster, then took a small step back once he left?

The Blues should have won it all the year he was captain, but ran up against a ridiculously strong Minnesota team in the 2nd round and had Oates/Hull/Sutter all disappear in that series.

The Devils finally had stability after he arrived and maintained it until his retirement.
 
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Or how about because he was the MVP that got his team to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals? Without Giguere Mighty Ducks wouldn't of even got out of round 1 let alone getting that close to winning a Cup. Anyone who thinks it looks anything like they gave the Mighty Ducks a consolation prize is IMO crazy or bias.

But he didn't get the job done. Martin Brodeur also had an outstanding playoffs, wore normal sized equipment, and outplayed Giguere in the finals.
 
But he didn't get the job done. Martin Brodeur also had an outstanding playoffs, wore normal sized equipment, and outplayed Giguere in the finals.

Its not a Stanley Cup finals and or Cup winning Trophy. Giguere was the MVP of the playoffs being the single most valuable player no one came close to being as important as him.
 
I have to laugh at anyone saying Stevens was just a thug, talentless, shouldn't have been in the league, used his elbows, etc...and this is coming from a rival Pens fan.

The guy hit very very hard. He was the best pure body checker in the game, too good at it, really. For those of you saying he was just out to injure...ever notice all his big hits seemed to happen in the playoffs? What physical player lets up during the playoffs? It was a war or attrition, it still is. He would have adapted his game and would still be very effective today.

Also, I'm not condoning head shots or concussions. I find it very hypocritical that the league (and fans would want to) penalizes bodychecks to the head now even with incidental contact yet allow fighting or players punching each other in scrums AFTER play has already stopped. How can people say they want to eliminate hits to the head while allowing someone to take their fists and literally hit somebody's head with them? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
 
I don't blame Stevens. I only blame the league. If the league actually cared about protecting players and enforcing the rules, Stevens would have played differently. I'm sure he has some regret for how many of his hits connected with a players head, but that's about it.

That said, I've read a lot of, "it was a clean hit except it was late" and that's like saying, "I didn't break the law except I robbed him" it doesn't matter how much of the hit was legal. If it was late it was late.
 
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I don't blame Stevens. I only blame the league. If the league actually cared about protecting players and enforcing the rules, Stevens would have played differently. I'm sure he has some regret for how many of his hits connected with a players head, but that's about it.

That said, I've read a lot of, "it was a clean hit except it was late" and that's like saying, "I didn't break the law except I robbed him" it doesn't matter how much of the hit was legal. If it was late it was late.
The vast majority of Steven's hits were legal even by today's rules. Skates on the ice, elbow tucked, hitting through the core of the body.

The Kariya hit was definitely late to me and was suspension worthy even in that era. But it was the Finals and you could practically murder a guy in the postseason and get away with it.
 
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No one condoned this hit so just take a breath and get off your high horse.

The league was garbage back then? And Stevens was a no punk talent? You clearly never watched hockey back then or watched Stevens, but it's ok, I would just recommend you quit the "purists" approach....especially when you have no clue what your talking about.

Maybe don't act like so sensitive and emotional towards the topic, and actually educate yourself on them instead....just a thought.

i watched the league and stevens plenty back then, he was always dirty and the league is better now without guys like him in it
 
i watched the league and stevens plenty back then, he was always dirty and the league is better now without guys like him in it
Your key points were....
"The league was garbage back then." And "no talent punk like Stevens."

You clearly have NO clue what your talking about, and we can all tell that by your bias, uneducated, and extremely emotional statements that in no way shape or form are correct.

Totally, the league was perfectly better off with guys like Cooke.....definitely a better environment compared to the evil of Scott Stevens.

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Your key points were....
"The league was garbage back then." And "no talent punk like Stevens."

You clearly have NO clue what your talking about, and we can all tell that by your bias, uneducated, and extremely emotional statements that in no way shape or form are correct.

Totally, the league was perfectly better off with guys like Cooke.....definitely a better environment compared to the evil of Scott Stevens.

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nobody ever praised cooke for being a thug, unlike stevens so your point is moot

go fire up your vcr and old vhs tapes and pretend it's still the "good old days" where thugs like stevens were considered "warriors"
 
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it is you that is emotional and whiny about it as i am not worshiping your heroes

nobody ever praised cooke for being a thug, unlike stevens so your point is moot

go fire up your vcr and old vhs tapes and pretend it's still the "good old days" where thugs like stevens were considered "warriors"
Worshipping? Who is worshipping? Your generalizing a HOF defenseman and probably the best hitter to ever play as a "no talent punk" based on one controversial hit....

It's not we are worshipping, it's more you getting so sensitive and making false/outlandish statements with nothing to back to up.

You said the league was "better" with guys like him not playing, so instead we got Matt Cooke....need I say more? Wow what progress!

Fire up your YouTube and nitpick Stevens "head hunting" hits and base your entire argument on that, because we sure as hell
Know you never watched hockey back then.
 
Btw, Kariya got injured from that hit not from the contact itself. He got injured because back then they didn't require players to wear helmets and he didn't have one. He hit his head on the ice on the way down.

If he had been wearing a helmet, he would probably not have been injured at all.
 

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