Paul Kariya doesn't remember 2003 SC-finals game 6 nor 7
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GreatGonzo
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He never jumped into that hit. Stop making things up to stir the pot. Do us all a favor and Watch the hit and re-educate yourself.
You can't simply justify or examine any hit as an "intent to injure" type of hit. When your going in for a hit, it's probably going to hurt, and the hitter is doing it so you feel it. I don't understand this whole concept about hitting suddenly being a type of hug that should leave both players feeling dandy.
No, because during his time hitting was different. It was a more physical era where players really had to take ownership of their surroundings and where there head is. You clearly have no clue what your talking about, saying that they just let it happen over and over again because they didn't know what to do
ya that makes perfect sense....
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Blender
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You know, his hall of fame level defensive play and having the 2nd most points of any defenseman in the playoffs (1st on the Devils) may have contributed to his Conn Smythe win.
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Stevens is on the way up at the moment of impact.
You know, that is why his back leg is straight.. and why a couple of frames later both his feet are clearly off the ice. I mean, that is what a jump is...
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He's straightening up because he's about to make contact. Players skates come up off the ice on hits after impact all the time.
What's he supposed to do, go in bent over and headbutt Francis as he hits him?
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He's straightened up for sure, but he's in no way jumping. You claimed he jumped into Francis' head, but the pictures I posted clearly show that Stevens before and at the point of contact had both feet on the ice, and Francis was bent over and forward, as was Stevens which is why his weight is all on his front leg. The force of the collision sends them both into the air, which happens all the time in hockey when there is a big hit.
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I am still pissed about the hit in the Cup finals and hearing this makes me more pissed about it.
This was the tail end of the era where this was his the game was played in the playoffs. If you could legally hit and injure the other player you were doing your job. Culture has come a long way but still a ways to go to get rid of this mentality.
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A check was supposed to separate the player from the puck. Not any longer! Now it is to re-arrange his face, end his career, or scramble his brains for life.
"Finishing your check" -- until they get rid of this way of thinking, nothing will change and things will get worse as players get bigger and faster.
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Scary. This is why hits to the head need to disappear from the game.
We need to bring back the two-line pass to slow down the game. It's too fast nowadays. Second suggestion is to eliminate some forms of neutral zone hitting. Big open ice bomcbs serve little purpose to the game anymore. Akin to fighting, it's a relic from past.
We need to bring back the two-line pass to slow down the game. It's too fast nowadays. Second suggestion is to eliminate some forms of neutral zone hitting. Big open ice bomcbs serve little purpose to the game anymore. Akin to fighting, it's a relic from past.
PunkRockLocke
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Clean hit.
Kariya was admiring his pass with his head down.
The onus is on the Ducks and the NHL for letting him return to the game. He was clearly injured and should not have.
Kariya was admiring his pass with his head down.
The onus is on the Ducks and the NHL for letting him return to the game. He was clearly injured and should not have.
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He’s my favourite player ever. I’m not one of the bleeding heart hippies in this thread.
R-E-L-A-X.
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Stevens was a dirty player. People will say he played within the rules. Sure, whatever. He was a dirty player to me because his intention was to hurt. He wasn't looking to finish a check, he targeted players. He sees a guy in a vulnerable position and would stick his forearm out. The intention was to injure. So sick of people praising this guy.
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It was never clean. It was a dirty, brutal hit at the time, and in today's game even worse. It was late, very late. I was outraged at the time and I'm a Kings fan.
Too much contact has been taken out of the game, but if that's the price to eliminate that c r a p then so be it. He should have been tossed at the time, no doubt. Just because refs used to 'let it go' it doesn't make it okay for a guy to throw his body around recklessly and show no respect for his fello pro's.
It was shameful then, it is shameful now. Anyone defending it is very much using rose tinted specs.
Pretty much.
Always went for the head. He didn't think of hitting as separating the puck from the man, but to separate the head from the man.
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One youtube clip of his hit on Lindros does not mean he ran around doing that his whole career. The part about sticking his forearm out while hitting is completely false. Stevens was a devastating and predatory hitter for sure. But most of his hits were textbook skates on the ice with his elbow tucked.
Always went for the head? That's not even true in his top 10 hits.
Again, I hated Stevens with a passion when he played, particularly in the 95 Cup finals when he crushed Kozlov. But the mischaracterization of him here has gotten ridiculous. I'm guessing by people who never even saw him play.
It's interesting how the hfboards logic of "when a guy throws that many hits there's gonna be some borderline ones" doesn't apply to Stevens and his 22 year career.
It's hard to not have that stigma against you when you have put away so many players with concussions.
Just like Marchment and Samuelsson with knees.
Just like Marchment and Samuelsson with knees.
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Yea I have already covered this in depth in this thread. The guy played for 22 years and had thousands of hits. His top 10 video is a fraction of a percentage point of the hits he had in his career, yet a lot of people here have only ever seen those videos and are judging his entire career on them. It's a disgrace that a Hall of Fame defenseman is being summed up so incorrectly.
tarheelhockey
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Just as there's a certain amount of revision when people apply today's standards to old hits, there's also some revision when people act like these hits weren't controversial at the time. They may have technically been within the rules (maybe... there was certainly a possibility of a penalty on most of them) but there were a lot of things that were "technically legal" at that time which were still very controversial and considered unacceptable. The league has removed a lot of the grey area and drawn a clearer line, but that doesn't mean people were A-OK with it back then.
Never liked the Stevens hit at the time and in hindsight it looks worse given the league we have today. I don't want to make a definite claim on it being dirty or not, though.
The thing that IMO hampered Kariya's career a hell of a lot more was that goon Gary Suter who was good for nothing besides taking shots at star players and trying to end careers. Hope he never, ever gets inducted into the Hall of Fame.
The thing that IMO hampered Kariya's career a hell of a lot more was that goon Gary Suter who was good for nothing besides taking shots at star players and trying to end careers. Hope he never, ever gets inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Yea. IMO Steven went for hockey hits to the head.. But Suter would just cross check anything that moved, usually after a goal.
(I understand the irony of the gif in my signature... But OEL fell like a sack of potatoes lol)
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Regardless of the rules, I never liked those hits back then because Stevens knew the power he wielded and still didn't let up. From knocking the puck loose to taking a player out for a shift/period/game to possibly ending someone's career. He had options and he occasionally chose the most harmful one. To me that meant he didn't respect other players.
